Re: [ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi Geoff, > I expect that it was something quite different. Much more likely is that > they either had money troubles, or they had staffing problems and wanted > to hire someone who wanted the extra money. > > They figured you would take the cut, and if you did not, they would live > with who

Re: [ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 12:53:49AM +0300, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. I can give myself as an > example: After signing my last contract to work at a start-up, the > "boss" decided (3 weeks after I started to work) that I need to select > an option: either a

Re: [ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
> Dear Hetz, Hi Marc, > > 2. As a person who previously "matched" between companies and > > developers, I would say to any developer who wants to join you, that > > you are a "Red Risk", which means that developers should ask for cash > > (and not Shotef+30 or anything like that) or bank's c

Re: [ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Marc Volovic
- "Hetz Ben Hamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 2008/4/5 Uri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Dear linux-il friends, > > I somehow have a feeling that many people from here already marked a > message from you as SPAM and kicked this message. Dear Hetz, I feel that your reaction to UeCh is

Re: [ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, 2008/4/5 Uri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear linux-il friends, > > 1. I'm very concerned with freedom of speech online, especially today > when the www and Internet has become so commercial. When the big > corporations control the Internet, or at least to some ex

[ot] Freedom of speech online + some more issues

2008-04-05 Thread Uri
Dear linux-il friends, 1. I'm very concerned with freedom of speech online, especially today when the www and Internet has become so commercial. When the big corporations control the Internet, or at least to some extent are controlling the Internet, some things can't be said and some i

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
me :-) Maybe they're more afraid from nonviolent "terrorists" than from violent ones. After all, I do admit to the most dangerous crime of being a pacifist. It's contagious! Uri, I think I want to express my gratitude to you for the first-class entertainment you are providing on the list. Obs

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Uri Even-Chen wrote: > You think it's unlikely, because you don't expect secret agents to > read and/or block E-mail messages of ordinary people like me? Now you're just ignoring what I said. > What > if, for example, there was someone (let's call him Osama) who is a > very dangerous terrorist. D

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Julian Daich
> > > What about a webmail like Gmail? I don't see how break into that, seeing > > that login is done with SSL and that the servers lie in another country > > and Google probably won't cooperate with the Israeli government. > > Think again. They cooperate with the Chinese government, and the >

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Uri Even-Chen, from the post of Sat, 09 Sep: > > OK, I checked and here is some more information: at the time I suspect > they were blocking my E-mail (which I think they stopped now), I > received many messages in delay of about 10 minutes, if they were sent > to one of the addresses bein

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Sat, 09 Sep: > Even technically - if Gmail directly connects to the SMTP port on your > private server - how is the government supposed to be able to intercept, > analyse and then block your TCP stream "live"? It's not impossible but would > require going to a

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Mon, 11 Sep: > On 11/09/06, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think they are. I think they also sent agents to speak to me, spy > >on me and pretend they are ordinary people. I think they listened to > >my phone calls, and even disconnected some

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Whoever who is not interested, please don't read this thread. And please, don't respond! You're just spamming... On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think everything is a tradeoff. Say it costs $100 a day to do this sort of surveilance on someone: let's say this (made up) cos

RE: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Israel Shikler
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:46 PM To: Uri Even-Chen Cc: linux-il Subject: Re: Freedom of speech online On Mon, Sep 11, 2006, Uri Even-Chen wrote about "Re: Freedom of speech online": > On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Uri, the situation you&#x

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006, Uri Even-Chen wrote about "Re: Freedom of speech online": > On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Uri, the situation you're describing is possible technically, but highly > >unlikely. > > You think it's

RE: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 14:14 +0300, Imri Zvik wrote: > I think we heard enough. As many people already mentioned before, this > is a technical list, rather than a political one. If someone was tapping > your emails, I'm sure you already managed to bore them off. > > Can someone please forward this

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Amos Shapira
On 11/09/06, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think they are. I think they also sent agents to speak to me, spy on me and pretend they are ordinary people. I think they listened to my phone calls, and even disconnected some of my phone calls. It's difficult to prove, their agents nev

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Nitzan
is this linux-il list?! orim-so-important-and-everybody-wants-to-kill-me-il list? Uri, take your paranoids elsewhere. please. /Nitzan (an alleged war criminal) On 9/11/06, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uri, the situa

RE: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Imri Zvik
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Uri Even-Chen Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:02 PM To: Nadav Har'El Cc: linux-il Subject: Re: Freedom of speech online On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uri, the situation you're describing

RE: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Imri Zvik
27;El; linux-il Subject: Re: Freedom of speech online On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 01:12:53PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > About two years ago I failed to subscribe to unicode mailing lists on > unicode.org, because their sysadmin decided that all emails from > shemesh.biz should be blocke

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/11/06, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uri, the situation you're describing is possible technically, but highly unlikely. You think it's unlikely, because you don't expect secret agents to read and/or block E-mail messages of ordinary people like me? What if, for example, there wa

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 01:12:53PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > About two years ago I failed to subscribe to unicode mailing lists on > unicode.org, because their sysadmin decided that all emails from > shemesh.biz should be blocked (yes, spammers did use this domains some > year and a half prio

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: > I've seen even stranger things happening. Mails from yahoo.com silently > dropped because some newbie sysadmin saw a lot of spam "from" @yahoo.com > and decided to drop mail based on "from" address). About two years ago I failed to subscribe to unicode mailing lists on unicod

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-11 Thread Julian Daich
First of all, I agree with most of the answer and believe that what you claim about governmental or any agency surveilance is possible but very, very, very improbable. El lun, 11-09-2006 a las 09:49 +0300, Nadav Har'El escribió: > On Fri, Sep 08, 2006, Uri Even-Chen wrote about "Free

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006, Uri Even-Chen wrote about "Freedom of speech online": > What I want you to know, is that recently I had some feeling that not > all my E-mail messages are sent and received properly. Today I found > out a proof that somebody is not only reading my mail, bu

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:39:11PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > >> And the bottom line is this. It's not about you, just like it wasn't >> about me. As things stood, when MS did explicitly target Wine (in WGA) >> they actually went public with it. >> > > I'

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:39:11PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > And the bottom line is this. It's not about you, just like it wasn't > about me. As things stood, when MS did explicitly target Wine (in WGA) > they actually went public with it. I've heard that Wine actually passed the WGA test w

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread marc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nitzan wrote: > I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will > read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would > actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. > > if i was you i would show some pe

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 08:54 +0200, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > On 9/9/06, Nitzan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will > > read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would > > actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread GW
But I don't want to get too much into politics here. Please take your political views elsewhere. This is a Linux oriented technical mailing list, not a forum on tapuz. Me, for one, is is sick and tired of your bullshit. Go away. Now.

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/8/06, marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other "getting lost". Barring the question of tin-foil hats, etc, it _is_ possible and, if you ask my not very humble or

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-09 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/9/06, Nitzan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. Oh, sorry! I forgot! Israel is a free democracy, human

[OFFTOPIC] How to reply to Israeli paranoids (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)

2006-09-08 Thread Omer Zak
If I ever bothered to be serious in replying to such accusations, I'd be more worried about Uri Even-Chen's own reputation than Israeli reputation. Every country has its own dark periods (Soviet Union's Stalin, USA's McCarthy and Bush Jr. periods, etc. etc. even if I refrain from mentioning the wo

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Nitzan
I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. if i was you i would show some personal responsibility and 1st check my "facts" with security/network e

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread marc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shachar Shemesh wrote: > When you hear hoofs, better first assume horses. I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other "getting lost". Barring the question

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Amos Shapira
On 08/09/06, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, I have my own mail server and there is no spam filter.  I'malso not black listed.  I sent 2 messages from Gmail (same address),to 2 different addresses on my server, and only one of them wasreceived.  I did it again, same result.  I have

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Thanks for the technical description. It sounds very similar to what > I suspect they did. Did you know it was Netvision, May I remind you, again, that I believe that what you think happened is NOT what happened? > or did you check > the IP? Your server is located at the N

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/8/06, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not that difficult if you recruit the ISP's cooperation (in his case - netvision). Just redirect all traffic (or just the port 25 traffic) to a filtering machine, and have it directly deliver anything that it does not want to scan. I'm not sa

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/8/06, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, here's how the "powers of the dark" work. There are two modus operandi, and neither seem to match what you are doing here: 1. Gathering intelligence. In this mode, the worst thing that can happen to them is that you know they are monitorin

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On 9/8/06, marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other "getting lost". That's right. Barring the question of tin-foil hats, etc, it _is_ possible and, if you ask my n

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Paranoia expels boredom (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)

2006-09-08 Thread Omer Zak
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 19:13 +0300, Levy, Chen wrote: > ביום שישי 08 ספטמבר 2006, 18:23, נכתב על ידי Omer Zak: > > AND, YES, THE BORG INVASION IS PLANNED TO START ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM > > NOW. > > Ah, so Vista got delayed again? Yes. If Vista weren't delayed, then the Borg would have delayed thei

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Paranoia expels boredom (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)

2006-09-08 Thread Levy, Chen
ביום שישי 08 ספטמבר 2006, 18:23, נכתב על ידי Omer Zak: > AND, YES, THE BORG INVASION IS PLANNED TO START ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM > NOW. Ah, so Vista got delayed again?

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Paranoia expels boredom (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)

2006-09-08 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום שישי, 8 בספטמבר 2006, 18:23, נכתב על ידי Omer Zak: > AND, YES, THE BORG INVASION IS PLANNED TO START ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM > NOW. START PREPARING NOW! actually I can confirm that one, please "apt-get dist-upgrade -y" your servers. resistance is not futile. -- diego, kde-il translation team

[OFFTOPIC] Paranoia expels boredom (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)

2006-09-08 Thread Omer Zak
On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 17:46 +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Aviram Jenik wrote: > > Common, being paranoid is fine, but you don't have to do it in a public > > Linux > > mailing list. People reading the archives might take you seriously. > > > Aw, come on. What's the fun in being paranoid insi

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Aviram Jenik wrote: > Not only is it very difficult to pull off technically, Not that difficult if you recruit the ISP's cooperation (in his case - netvision). Just redirect all traffic (or just the port 25 traffic) to a filtering machine, and have it directly deliver anything that it does not wan

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Uri Even-Chen wrote: > OK, I want to clarify some things: > > 1. My mail server is configured correctly. Don't you just love axioms. > 2. After I wrote about it to a friend (from Gmail), they found out, > and stopped the censorship within a few minutes. Or the transient error got better. > 4. I ha

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread GW
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "linux-il" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Freedom of speech online OK, I want to clarify some things: 1. My mail server is configured correctly. 2. After I wrote about it to a friend (from Gmail), they found out, and stopped the c

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Friday 08 September 2006 15:27, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > I have reasons to believe the > Israeli government is censoring me. You've got to be kidding me. Not only is it very difficult to pull off technically, it is ridiculous to think that the barely functioning Israeli government (BTW: what m

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
OK, I want to clarify some things: 1. My mail server is configured correctly. 2. After I wrote about it to a friend (from Gmail), they found out, and stopped the censorship within a few minutes. 3. I did again the same test, this time received both messages instantly. 4. I had the feeling that

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Sorry, I have my own mail server and there is no spam filter. I'm > also not black listed. I sent 2 messages from Gmail (same address), > to 2 different addresses on my server, and only one of them was > received. I did it again, same result. I have reasons to believe th

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Sorry, I have my own mail server and there is no spam filter. I'm also not black listed. I sent 2 messages from Gmail (same address), to 2 different addresses on my server, and only one of them was received. I did it again, same result. I have reasons to believe the Israeli government is censo

Re: Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 02:06:32PM +0200, Uri Even-Chen wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Recently I was politically active and published opinions against the > formal policy of the government of Israel. I don't want to get into > details about my opinions, or if it's legal or not to express them. > Wha

Freedom of speech online

2006-09-08 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Hi everybody, Recently I was politically active and published opinions against the formal policy of the government of Israel. I don't want to get into details about my opinions, or if it's legal or not to express them. What I want you to know, is that recently I had some feeling that not all my