On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Boruch Baum wrote:
> ref: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=29759
>
> I honestly don't remember if ever in the past I've used Hebrew footnote
> numbering in emacs, but the current state of affairs is that although the
> documentation indicates that the
ref: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=29759
I honestly don't remember if ever in the past I've used Hebrew footnote
numbering in emacs, but the current state of affairs is that although the
documentation indicates that the option is available, the file seems
nowhere to be found. The ab
> From: dov.grobg...@gmail.com (Dov Grobgeld)
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:17:09 +0300
>
> I'm using org-mode extensively during the last year, and getting Hebrew
> support helps with writing recepies and taking care of the home financies.
> There are still bugs though, e.g. like the interaction be
> From: w...@zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:11:51 +0300
>
> On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:56 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > > The Bidi has landed!
> > >
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 11:08 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Omer Zak
[... a pathological example was snipped ...]
> > In which BiDi reordering would leave the software developer very
> > confused if he wants to figure out into which glyphs do 'q' and 'v' get
> > translated. Or which glyph w
> From: Omer Zak
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:55:13 +0300
>
> Nice example!
>
> It could be complicated further by having strings with mixture of LTR
> and RTL glyphs. Such as:
>
> string.tr("abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
> "ABC,EFG abc: HIJ>
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 10:41 +0300, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
> as the syntax engine should isolate the bidi reordering of A from that
> of B, there is no problem. It won't be flawless though as e.g. in the
> following example:
>
>string.tr("abcdef",
> "ABCDEF")
>
> where you would
I absolutely agree with Eli, that getting reasonable Bidi display when
editing source code in Emacs is feasible, for the very reason that emacs is
*syntax aware*. As long as the syntax is understood, it is possible to make
sure that the various syntax elements (keywords, strings, comments) are
hand
> From: Omer Zak
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:38:16 +0300
>
> First of all, it is GREAT that Emacs 24 has BiDi support.
Thanks.
> Simply, have Emacs continue to support programming languages, just
> without default BiDi support when editing such text.
>
> Since it is anyway good practice to loc
Hello Eli,
Since I didn't say it before, I'll say it now.
First of all, it is GREAT that Emacs 24 has BiDi support.
None of my comments are meant to detract from this major achievement.
I am sorry for my part in leading you to feel that we detract in any way
from your achievement.
On Thu, 2012-0
> From: Omer Zak
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:27:22 +0300
>
> Once we start making BiDi rendering mode dependent upon nitpicking
> details of the particular text displayed in a buffer, it is a losing
> game. There are so many special cases, you are bound to lose some
> pathological corner cases.
The discussion below reminds me of the Worse Is Better debate (see, for
example, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/08/worse-is-better.html).
Once we start making BiDi rendering mode dependent upon nitpicking
details of the particular text displayed in a buffer, it is a losing
game. There are
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:36:21 +0300
> From: Nadav Har'El
> Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
>
> Like I said, try the example Perl instruction of changing aleph into
> bet:
>
> s/א/ב/
>
> See how the Bidi algorithm makes it appear as if we're changing the
> other way around - bet into aleph.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > I think you must agree that the unicode bidi algorithm was never designed
>...
> We are talking about Emacs, not about the UBA. Emacs already uses the
> "high-level protocols" fire
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:33:27 +0300
> From: Nadav Har'El
> Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
>
> As an example of the confusion that bidi might cause me when editing the
> Hspell source code, conside what it might to do a regular expression:
> Imagine that I wrote s/א/ב/ with the intension of switch
> From: Omer Zak
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:41:30 +0300
>
> On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:22 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > And since the bidirectional display for Emacs was developed in almost
> > complete isolation from this community -- not a single input or
> > response to several design discuss
> From: Omer Zak
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:33:29 +0300
>
> > > So when one wants to view BiDi text in visual order (the usual case),
> > > one opens the file in Gedit. And when one wants to see it in logical
> > > order (e.g. to figure out how the visual order turned out to be so
> > > messed
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> You mean, disappointing? Yes, it is. To hear such questions from
> Nadav Har'El, of all the people.
Sorry to disappoint you...
One of my random signatures go "better to be thought a fool, than
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:22 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> And since the bidirectional display for Emacs was developed in almost
> complete isolation from this community -- not a single input or
> response to several design discussions I posted -- why would anyone
> assume that an essentially one-ma
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:15 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: w...@zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
> > It is a question of control.
>
> If you use Emacs, you know that giving the user control is one of
> Emacs's main design principles.
Great!
> > So when one wants to view BiDi text in visual order (the
> From: n...@math.technion.ac.il (Nadav Har'El)
> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:50:25 +0300
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012, Omer Zak wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 19:05 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > You know, it is quit
> From: w...@zak.co.il (Omer Zak)
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:57:06 +0300
>
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 19:05 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > You know, it is quite ironic that, having heard about a major Free
> > Software project which now fully supports bidirectional scripts
> > including Hebrew, the
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012, Omer Zak wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 19:05 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > You know, it is quite ironic that, having heard about a major Free
> > Software project which now fully supports bidirectional scripts
&g
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 19:05 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> You know, it is quite ironic that, having heard about a major Free
> Software project which now fully supports bidirectional scripts
> including Hebrew, the first thing people here ask is how to disable
> that feature. Not whether it works,
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> Long ago, On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:38:34AM +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As I my Emacs usage increased recently following the discovery of the amazing
>> org-mode (highly recommended), I began wondering about Bidi in Emacs.
>
> The
6-10 at 19:11 +0300, Omer Zak wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:56 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > > The Bidi has landed!
> > >
> > > Quoting https://www.gnu.org/software/e
ables
and bidi is really broken.
Regards,
Dov
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > The Bidi has landed!
> >
> > Quoting https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.24.1 :
&
On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 18:56 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> > The Bidi has landed!
> >
> > Quoting https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.24.1 :
>
> Do you know if there's a
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: Emacs & Hebrew":
> The Bidi has landed!
>
> Quoting https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.24.1 :
Do you know if there's an option to NOT do Bidi, and just show
everything left-to-right as p
Long ago, On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 07:38:34AM +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I my Emacs usage increased recently following the discovery of the amazing
> org-mode (highly recommended), I began wondering about Bidi in Emacs.
The Bidi has landed!
Quoting https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
On Sunday 22 February 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
> I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even
> if there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing
> bugs in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE.
>
> So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm
I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even if
there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing bugs
in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE.
So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm afraid that I
won't have time looking into it.
Regards,
2009/2/20 Dov Grobgeld
> There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in
> 2002. The mailing list still up at:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/
>
> What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi
> algorithm were ruled out, because
There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in 2002.
The mailing list still up at:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/
What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi
algorithm were ruled out, because they were considered not to be
"suff
On Friday 20 February 2009, Omer Zak wrote:
> I thought about this about 1 1/2 years ago but did not get around to
> implementing it.
>
> XEmacs has support for loading external modules, however I use emacs.
>
Me too.
> In Emacs version 22, it is possible to use IPC to communicate with
> another
I thought about this about 1 1/2 years ago but did not get around to
implementing it.
XEmacs has support for loading external modules, however I use emacs.
In Emacs version 22, it is possible to use IPC to communicate with
another process. Then one needs to write a module which invokes FriBidi
f
Hi,
As I my Emacs usage increased recently following the discovery of the amazing
org-mode (highly recommended), I began wondering about Bidi in Emacs.
Searching for info on the web only got me confused - it seems there have been
a number of attempts, but it is not clear to me if I can get bidi
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