Re: OT: Help with simple Linux maintenance

I have had to fake the entire add/remove software for Cellcom cellular modem with a tech support until I broke and just asked for the default init strings. This was funny. I was "removing the drivers through the control panel and through 'add-remove software'", "rebooting" and then "reinstallin

Re: OT: Help with simple Linux maintenance

I'm not sure I agree with your claim about old Actcom's staff. I know most of them (except one, I think) were not hired by Bezeq Int. Gal - about your friend - you could try this. Might help you. http://run.tournament.org.il/cables-connection-in-israel-for-linux/ Ez Dotan Cohen wrote: A

Re: Connecting to the Internet via Bluetooth and Orange (Partner) Cellular Network

Hi. I have documented the process of making this setup work a while back. http://run.tournament.org.il/dial-up-in-israel-through-orange-3g/ There are several links from there to an advanced (and somewhat better) method of connecting. All methods relay on this one. Ez Shay Ohayon wrote:

Re: Internet Customer Service

Hi. Almost not entirely off-topic, I would like to show you the Cables/L2TP configuration script. Currently it fits only Ubuntu Linux, but would support further Linux distros, as soon as I get some feedback from users. I want to bring this configurator to your attention, as it should do t

Integrators of Open Source CMS system for a large project

Hi. Actually, I am not looking for the system. I am looking for a company able to deploy and modify a large-scale CMS system, including forums, backoffice, and lots of fun. This project aim is to reach a level of 100K unique visitors a day. I need a company who is able to do the following: 1. Ta

Re: Rsync and databases

Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:32:06 +0200 >> From: Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Israel Linux Mailing list >> S

Re: PostgresQL database on raw partition (and something about Access conversion)

Yes and no. It will be as slow as any common harddrive for write operations, but it will be extremely fast for read operations. Now, what is your expected usage profile? Ez. Amos Shapira wrote: On 21/02/07, *Ira Abramov* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Quoting

Job offer: Linux System/Troubleshooter person

Hi all. I'm working in a small company which supplied services in the system field of the Linux/Unix. It includes in many cases dealing with supporting and surrounding technologies (storages, Windows, server setups, etc). We are currently looking for people who have knowledge of Linux for t

Re: basic iSCSI configuration refuses to work :-(

1 Aug 2006, Ez-Aton wrote: RH Cluster is a bad joke. linux-ha is also not so good (e.g. it cannot recover from loss of access to external disks). I have used various HA solutions, including VCS, SunCluster, HACMP, and even MSCS, and without a doubt, RH Cluster sux. It

Re: basic iSCSI configuration refuses to work :-(

RH Cluster is a bad joke. I have used various HA solutions, including VCS, SunCluster, HACMP, and even MSCS, and without a doubt, RH Cluster sux. It lacks features, and its main defense  mechanism against split-brain is "Shoot the Other in the Head" via its UPS, it's Fibre link, or the likes (t

Re: Kernel I/O Errors

One could assume so. Bad blocks are being reported when there are bad blocks. No more, no less. It might be that the hard drive suffers from temperature problem, and starts failing only after X hours of continues work. It might be that the disk is failed right from the start, and the person w

Jobs

Hi All. Hi-Tech company in Haifa (Matam) is searching for people who can occupy the following possitions. Please redirect questions, comments, or CVs to me directly (save the list). Thanks. Ez. QA Personnel: Qualifications   · Experience in software testing

Re: deleting a file I can't see

ntom" space was equivalent to only one of them. The only thing I can think of was that after I manually deleted the files, a new /var/log/syslog was created but /var/log/kernel/info was not. On Thu, 25 May 2006 00:15, Ez-Aton wrote: While the files are still being used, the space w

Re: deleting a file I can't see

While the files are still being used, the space will not be available. If you restart your syslogd service, you will reclaim the missing space. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: I had what I think was a hardare problem with my TV card and ended up with huge log files that completely filled up

Re: firefox friendly credit card service

A trick I've been told about, which works ok, regarding Bankhapoalim.com, is to refresh the website as soon as you login. You login, you get the menus left-to-right instead of right-to-left, and then you just refresh the page (F5, Ctrl+R, or the refresh button of Firefox). You'll see the menu

Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux

Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ez-Aton wrote: 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB You are right. I misread the original post. Don't forget that these 120GB will likely only take about 60GB (on average, YMMV, yada yada yada) of actual space on the b

Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux

Shachar Shemesh wrote: Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. This is not a significant volum

Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux

How about the old method of backup tape? Using LTO2 tape, you can backup enough today (based on your estimation of ~120GB per backup), adn in the future. It's not cheap, but it does the work. Ez Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - We are

Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network

I would second that. Check MPG compression rate, and you'll get the details as to the transfer rate required. 1Gb/s is overkill for home usage, especially when home computers still tend to be limited by the PCI b/w, which enforces a sum of up to 133MB/s for all PCI interfaces. It means that if

Re: Old laptop is firewall, spindown the disk?

Use Laptop-mode. You can set it all there. Ez. David Harel wrote: Do you know if noflushd will eventually spin the disk up again if cache becomes full? Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 03:25:59PM +0300, David Harel wrote: Hi, I hav

Re: Installing CentOs from image files?

In this regard, DVD images and CD images are similar. The installation proccess mounts using the loop device the cd/dvd image, and installes directly from it. No difference. Ez. Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I've downloaded CentOs 4 DVD image, planning to burn one DVD instead of shauffling

Re: Identify I/O bound process.

Usually I/O bound proccesses would have the flag D when viewed using either `ps` or `top`. The D is for "Delayed", which means the proccess waites for something else. As CPUs today are very strong, and disk I/O has rather unchanged during the last few years, delayed proccesses wait, almost alwa

Re: Bluetooth

Maybe, but until IDF released these freqs, so that civilians could use them for BT, they were not allowed. Today the 900Mhz phones are legal as well, and are being sold, as far as I know, by Bezeq themselves, as part of their digital phones. 802.11a/b/g have limitations, both regarding freqs,

Re: Bluetooth

Every BT USB dongle I've touched (so far two. of which one is the one Cellcom sells) worked flawlessly under Linux. never had problems using BT. My tip - get the cheepest one. They're all the same. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2005 13:27, Ez-Aton wrote:

Re: Bluetooth

The problem was not with the distance, but with the frequencies. BT used frequencies previously used by IDF, so it was illegal (and distance). Now these freqs are open for BT devices, which, in turn, can reach 100M. Actually, the 10M reach up to 5-7M without disturbances, so I tend to believe t

Re: I screwed up :-(

I've been hacked few years ago, as well, during a three hours FTP misconfiguration (the days where wu-ftpd had his own little security holes with anon users). I was proven to be hackable at the time. However, having default settings in nowdays distributions, on a need-to-run basis, well up-to

Re: I screwed up :-(

Do not over react. Many computers (even some running Linux) are connected to the Internet, and are not being hacked. If your system is up-to-date, and your usernames/passwords were resonably complicated, most likely you're ok. Moreover, if you know which services were meant to run on your comp

Re: weirdest problem ticket opened today.

d and activated, for the benefit of all. Windows 3.1 is a severe punishment, and cannot be accomplished on any modern machine. However, the defendant will voluntarily install Windows NT Server on his VMWare, and will try to use it, as a suiting punishment. Ez. Arik Baratz wrote: On 21/04/05, Ez

Re: weirdest problem ticket opened today.

It's not a contest I want to win in. It happened once, and the backups were one week old. Yep. Bad luck. Ez. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:41:06AM +0300, Arik Baratz wrote: AAARG! NOW I know what happened to my f-ing files on that server! Your backups w

Re: Looking for Progress DBA

knows how to maintain/disaster recover/setup/etc. it, please contact me. We do not look for non-progress oriented DBAs, nor HP-UX Sysadmins, but a Progress DBA, better with experiance on HP-UX (which is quite uncommon in IL). Thanks! Ez. Ez-Aton wrote: Hi all. In the company I&#

Looking for Progress DBA

Hi all. In the company I'm working at, we're looking for a short notice freelancer / outsourcer Progress DBA, prefferably, experianced with HP-UX. If you are, or you know anyone who is an experianced Progress DBA, with experiance (proven) working on HP-UX, troubleshooting Progress, restoring DB

Re: Linux, Raid and how do I know the speed

You could use measurement tools, for example: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null and in the meanwhile, measure the speed using iostat: iostat -x /dev/sda -kt 5 (-x device -Kilobyte -refresh every 5 seconds) The stats in /proc show what's the bus speed, which is nice, but not very usefull (you know you

Re: ReiserFS over MD?

I would never use raid0 on a production system. Just not worth it. However, both home system and raid1 are another thing. BTW - You cannot boot from a raid0 partition. You need to have your /boot on a non-striping raid (that is, none, or raid1). Ez./ Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Ez-Aton

Re: ReiserFS over MD?

Well... Ira Abramov wrote: howdie folks, me again... I have a new server to install here, it's a modern board with an adaptec sata RAID that is not seen by a vanilla Debian kernel. I decided to stick to stock kernels to simplify administration and therefore disabled the RAID, got the two di

Re: [Haifux] Re: Microsoft registered a patent for switching between links via the 'Tab' key

ik wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 09:36:36PM +0300, Adir Abraham wrote: The name of the patent - "Discoverability and navigation of hyperlinks via tabs" Suggested patents: pressing an X box to close a window, pressing the enter key to start a new line, and even - pressing c

Re: new computer - Linux compatibility

nadav mavor wrote: Shlomo Solomon wrote: Hi, I hope this won't be considered off-topic since my main concern is Linux compatibility. I'm about to get a new computer, and before I make any final decision, I'd like to hear a few opinions. I've GOOGLED quite a bit on this, but I still prefer to ge

Re: Memory upgrade question for hardware gurus

Well, faster memory *should* work on lower speed slots, however, it doesn't always work. It's issue with the CAS latency, and it might (or might not) fit your current memory. Although it's likely your new memory will work on your board, it is more likely it will not work together with the curre

Firefox, and multiple windows

Hi all. When running Mozilla Firefox (as I do), some might discover that trying to run another instance of it (for example, for your favorite mail client) will pop-up the "profile selection" window. After some googling, I came up with a script, attached here. It is based on the assumption firefox

Re: dd of=/dev/port.

dd is meant to be used with block devices, not with character devices. To hijack character devices, you can simply cat them to somewhere. Ez. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaul Karl wrote: Is the following expected? # printf "\xa2" | dd of=/dev/port bs=1 count=1 skip=675 0+0 records in 0+0

Re: ADSL dialer script

Add this to your /etc/ppp/options: lcp-echo-interval 20 lcp-echo-failure 3 It means that after 3 (lcp-echo-failures) tries, of 20 seconds interval (aka, 60secs), your ppp interface will go down by itself. lcp-echo failures will occure when there is no actual data transfer on your line. (I th

Re: ups and linux?

I'm using Advice UPS, and it works like a charm (poweroff the computer after reaching below certain % of power, etc.). search for a solution called Network UPS Tools (NUT), and compare the models supported by it, with the models you can purchase. I know that regarding Advice's UPSs, they are sup

Re: hard drive errors - bad disk or?

ndmax Plus 8 40 GB)? > > Thanx again, > nachum > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Ez-Aton > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:31 PM > To: Nachum Kanovsky > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: hard drive errors

Re: hard drive errors - bad disk or?

Hi Nachum. Drive seek errors are caused due to either bad-sectors, or DMA usage, where DMA is either not supported, buggy, or doesn't do the job (generally, when it fails, but it is not one the previous options). I know RH do not activate DMA usage by default, due to problems similar to the one

[Off Topic] - Job offer

Hi list. Sorry to publish it here, but the company I work for, called Topio, is looking for both Sysadmins and QA testers. The company is a mature start-up, developing DRP solutions for the enterprises. SysAdmin requirements (in general): Aquiantance with Unix, especially Solaris, Linux, AIX &

Re: Problems configuring NFS-server

What NFS versions (server/client) do you run on both the Linux machine and the FBSD? Ez. On Friday 02 April 2004 05:49 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hallo friends and list members. > > I have some problems configuring NFS-server. > > Trying to mount the server I get this : >$ mount_nfs

Re: NFS, AFS or is there something else?

I wonder. As far as I know, AFS is no longer supported by IBM, hence, you could use OpenAFS, for better and worse, or you could search for another alternative. Not reading this whole thread, I could suggest, that as far as I know, you can find / install CodaFS clients/servers for almost any OS y

Re: partitioning

You could do it quite easilly. Use: /sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/hd** (You should use the right letter and number for the extra partition). Afterwards, using fdisk, make this partition active. If you do so, Windows (assuming it's either XP or 2k) will reffer to it as C:, and you could install it there.

Re: apache2-friendly web mail software?

I wasn't there. Maybe it's why my PHP works great with Apache 2.x I use RH, and all new versions (9, and FC1) are shipped with Apache 2.x and PHP, which works like a charm. Squirrellmail did the job for me, on an Apache 2.X server. Ez. On Thursday 04 March 2004 12:08 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [OT] Sparc CPU Throttling?

Not as far as I know. I know Sparcs have APM support, and it can be disabled, but I haven't seen any throttling support in Sparc yet. About how to disable APM - Check SUN documentations, and you will find it there, regarding to your OS version and your hardware. Ez. On Thursday 19 February 200

FTP Solution

Hi People. I need to build an FTP server, with specific, untrivial setup, and would ask your help about it. I need settings per-user, non-anonymous, XFP support, and Chroot jail. Also, I need it to be very secure FTP server - no WU, whatever its capabilities are. The idea is as follows: Lets say

Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)

Well then, I'm just not the type. I'll elaborate. On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:32, Oron Peled wrote: > On Tuesday 10 February 2004 05:28, Ez-Aton wrote: > > ... starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), > > First an unrelated observatio

Re: Configuring GDM to limit user actions

On the Windows side of things, starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), under a specific DOMAIN, you could define what actions each and every user, based on his role, group, the specific computer, or almost any other parameter, can do, and cannot do. It's called Grou

Re: linux machine hangs

The fact it happens only during high CPU demand, I would suggest checking that the heatsink is connected ok. Many boards have some sort of an alarm regarding over temerature (check to make sure it's enabled in the BIOS). If they don't, the CPU just overheats, and freezes, and there's nothing you

Re: Very Cool DOS Games Emulator

Cool. Prince of Persia and Dangerous Dave. Nice. Ez. On Sunday 25 January 2004 03:06, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: > > On Saturday 24 January 2004 22:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > See DOSBox: > > > > > > http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1 > > > > > > It's very cool and is able to run Gob

Re: Very Cool DOS Games Emulator

Maybe, but DOSEmu failed running Prince of Persia, while this dosbox did it without a glitch (and I discovered I suck big time...) Ez. On Saturday 24 January 2004 23:44, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > DosEMU rocks... it has also protected mode support which DOSBOX does not. > > http://iglu.org.il/pub/

Re: off-topic funny joke

As old as I can remeber. I knew this one was told about windows NT3.51, when it was brand new... Ez. On Monday 19 January 2004 12:22, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > ** if you try this for real, you may damage your microwave or disk *** > > Recently one of my friends, a computer wizard, paid me a visit

Re: hebrew input in explorer in cxoffice

Try running the application with the env. variable: LC_ALL=he_IL /opt/cxoffice/bin/iexplore (or the likes) You could try LC_CTYPE=he_IL and his friends (locale will tell you more about it), and you just might be able to type in hebrew. Ez. On Monday 19 January 2004 07:16, Daniel Feiglin wrote: >

Re: SATA and AMD64 questions

According to PC Magazine tests, and excuse me for not quoting the context (but quoting the idea): Itanium are a bit stronger CPUs, regarding 64bit performances. The are much slower then 32bit CPUs, when emulating 32bit. Athlon64 (Opteron) are much faster then 32bit CPUs, and are rather fast rega

Re: configuring apps via command line

Regarding IE, and Windows stuff, I have no idea. Regarding Linux, assuming you use a single laptop, you could do one of the following: 1) As Alon suggested, use IPTables to reroute your requests to the correct server (you could just run the correct script each time to resetup your IPTables, and

Re: Barak Cables over PPTP

You could find something you can work with (it's written to RH9, but will work with Mandrake too, as far as I know) at http://www.iarc.org/~ezaton/cables There are instructions, and a script, adjusted to Actcom, but you could adjust it easilly to any ISP you want. Ez. On Sunday 04 January 2004

Re: Nvidia Conclusion

On Saturday 03 January 2004 10:09, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hetz: thanks for the info. As for the version of the driver, it may be > stable for you, but I'm not sure it would be stable for me. So I'll ask > at the forums, IRC channel, etc. > > The rest of the crowd: the Nvidia card came prepackaged wit

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

Not entirely correct. You could find some ATI [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the likes, for around 200NIS. It will work with X out of the box. It will have zero (0) 3D abilities, and it's fine for you. If you want to play the simplest 3D game - let's say tux racer, you need 3D acceleration, else you'll g

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

The 7xxx is unsupported. I have a laptop using one of the 7xxx familly (I think the mobile M6 or a similar name), and I can use only the built-in XFree drivers. None others. Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 16:20, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > so what were those rumours saying that 3D games on linux ha

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

On Friday 02 January 2004 14:56, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 02:51:53PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > > BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. > > You can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their > > relatio

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

rdware vendor's graphics card. That's life Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 14:24, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: > > You can blame them for being closed source (as you can blame most of the > > world, today), but you canno

Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers

You could check the support section, and forums of NVidia's site. They have solutions for such things. Unlike many other hardware and driver vendors, NVidia (which ships closed source driver) have a good support, and great forums, meant for you, and everyone else who needs support, regarding Lin

Re: Kernel 2.6.0 compilation errors

You should write make help to see what options are there. Read the change log, to see what are the requirements for upgrading to 2.6 (and there are some), to make sure you are up to date. If I recall correctly, you should, anyhow, type make and not make bzImage Ez. On Friday 26 December 2003 14

Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...

You could use pptp dialer. Should work. You might consider checking http://www.iarc/org/~ezaton/cables and read a lecture I wrote there. The lecture (as well as the explenations) are relevant to Actcom, but you could find that by changing only a little bit, you can connect to any other ISP in Is

Re: שגפימהדויב יולה

Some poeple just don't know what humor is. Ez. On Sunday 07 December 2003 15:02, David Howard wrote: > On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 13:40, nadav mavor wrote: > > ×â×â×ï ×Â×ï×â×Â×â ×â9 ×ï×â×â×â× > > ×ï×â×â×â× ×â×Â×â×â×ï ×â×â×â×â×â×â > > ×â×ï×â×â 58 ×â×â×Â×â×à ×Â×ï×â×ï ×Â×â×â > > ×Â× ×â×â×Â×â×ï ×Â×Â×Â

Re: MSN messanger for linux and linux compatible webcam

You should use either UPNP daemon on the Linux NAT, or try to play with OpenH323 server on the NAT. Ez. On Tuesday 02 December 2003 19:52, Oron Peled wrote: > On Tuesday 02 December 2003 12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Which version of gnomemeeting it that? > > $ gnomemeeting --version > Gno

Re: Reiserfs acting up

day 12 November 2003 00:25, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Ez-Aton wrote: > >What is 03:09 device? Check your /proc/bus/devices and/or your disk > > section in /proc. > > If I'm not mistaken - that should be /dev/hda9, which is where /home is > mounted from (and where all the pr

Re: "No buffer space available" on connect

Try to upgrade ifplugd. They had few bugs back then (although I expreianced them using RTL8139), and it might be the problem. Ifplugd is supposed to detect disconnection, adn then bring the if down. If it detects it by mistake, it will try to bring down the interface, to detect it is connected (

Re: Reiserfs acting up

What is 03:09 device? Check your /proc/bus/devices and/or your disk section in /proc. Do you get to hear weird noises out of your computer during such a case? Do dmesg | grep 03 and check what 03:09 refers to. It might be bad blocks (my guess) or it might be some PCI device malefunctioning. My

Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites

Well, it is too late, and besides, there are both Fedora and MDK nowdays, meant for newbies. You should remember that Debian is not considered fit for newbies, and therefore, we better not install it. Ez. On Monday 10 November 2003 09:55, Dotan Mazor wrote: > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200

Re: GNU/Linux drivers for UPS

I have a similar model, I don't remember the exact model number, manufactured by Advice, and using NUT (Network UPS Tools) I am able to work with it on connected to my Linux box, shutting down the computer after predefined time / battery status, automatically. The module I use is called "powerco

Re: Linux mail server as DRP for MS Exchnage

You could use fetchmail on the Linux server, obtaining mail by POP3 at any given time. However, you cannot obtain global address book, nor calander, either shared or personal. Mainly, it's an administration hog. You have to do it all manually. You could do this by IMAP, thus easier working with

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

My donation: Of course not every user can change software on machines in every hospital. Users can't do a thing. One of the highlights of a Unix (and of course, a Linux) management, is that it can be managed from one sigle center point, and easilly. Assuming, for the matter, that there are zero h

Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.

SATA is not yet supported "Out-of-the-box" One needs to install using either some special new and patched kernel, or using an HDD connected to the std. IDE, and then, after upgrade to the kernel, to move the system to the new disks. Ez. On Monday 03 November 2003 11:25, Josh Roden wrote: > One

Haifa University site browser competablity issues

ng this problem. Any suggestion on the next move will also be very helpful, as I stand rather helpless now, agains this system. Thanks in advance! Ez-Aton = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe&

Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?)

- Original Message - From: "Shlomi Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ez-Aton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Adir Abraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Orr Dunkelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Orna Agmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;

Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?)

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Ez-Aton wrote: > > It doesn't matter. Most of the people in the world use IE. They need an > > alternative. I'm affraid Netscape is a poor alternative, and Opera is not a > > complete one, yet. Konqueror? Far from it. Flash was an example, ta