Re: Looking for a recommendation for a book about Embedded LINUX

2008-06-02 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Hi, Dan Shimshoni wrote: Hello, I am looking for a recommendation for a book about Embedded LINUX for beginners and intermediate level. Something you should note is that there are actually two "super-topics" that can be covered by such books: 1. Building embedded Linux systems (bootload

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:56AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it > i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK > have? That may be enough. The whole point ofthe company is to SELL their product. If, in or

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
michael shiloh wrote: On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ira Abramov wrote: haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply from OpenMoko would be "we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What's wrong with RTL support in GTK? Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support. Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? I don't know. Like I said, the decision process was opaque,

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, What's wrong with RTL support in GTK? > OpenMoko will be shipped with Qt http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update/ I applaud OpenMoko decision to do whatever can be done to speed up production and increase number of units to be sold for non-developers.

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> What's wrong with RTL support in GTK? > > Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support. > Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ET

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread michael shiloh
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ira Abramov wrote: haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply from OpenMoko would be "we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own hacking". No, it was

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Omer Zak wrote: Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows. The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be anti-accessibility. It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably i

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-02 Thread Amos Shapira
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun: >> > First, stop working with apt-get. Only work with aptitude. >> >> That's what I always do - just because aptitude is smart enough to >> mark "automatically installed pack

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ira Abramov wrote: haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply from OpenMoko would be "we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own hacking". No, it was not. It was "ETK is better suited to our needs

[OT] A Cognitive Therapist in the Tel Aviv Area

2008-06-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all! As you may know, I have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder , and at the moment have an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomanic_episode ( no it's not Mania - it's below-Mania - I'm still quite OK.). As a result, I'm looking for a Cognitive-Behavioural Therapist in the Tel Aviv

Re: Kubuntu Edgy (6.10) missing from archive?!

2008-06-02 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Ira, Network Manager is going to be the new default networking configuration application accross the board: SuSE (SLES), RHEL 6, Ubuntu, and Mandriva (if I'm not mistaken). Not sure about the next stable version of Debian though.. It still has some issues (here in Fedora 9 when I stick a PCMCIA w

Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset (was: Re: Openmoko Group sale)

2008-06-02 Thread Omer Zak
Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows. The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be anti-accessibility. It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably inherently unusable

Re: QoS question

2008-06-02 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting sara fink, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun: > Someone knows what type of QoS hot uses? AFAIK they are not doing traffic shaping on the IP traffic itself, but on the DOCSIS channels. -- The best kept secret on earth Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ =

Re: Kubuntu Edgy (6.10) missing from archive?!

2008-06-02 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Gabor Szabo, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun: > > I have not tried it yet but I have a suspicion that I won't > even be able to upgrade as for the upgrade I need a package > from Edgy itself. > > Any ideas? Debian. I'm not kidding. I have swallowed a whole flotilla of frogs in the last few

Re: Debian still generated bad ssh keys

2008-06-02 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun: > > First, stop working with apt-get. Only work with aptitude. > > That's what I always do - just because aptitude is smart enough to > mark "automatically installed packages" to be removed when no longer > required, but also because it indeed gi

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun: > everyone, then I would expect that support for LTR, RTL, TTB, and > other methods of writing should be a core part of the UI, not tacked > on later. haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply from OpenMoko would be "we

QoS question

2008-06-02 Thread sara fink
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Looking for a recommendation for a book about Embedded LINUX

2008-06-02 Thread Dan Shimshoni
Hello, I am looking for a recommendation for a book about Embedded LINUX for beginners and intermediate level. Except "Linux Device Drivers" (3rd edition), I found these titles as candidates (and there are more): 1) Essential Linux Device Drivers by Sreekrishnan Venkateswaran

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
I will ask on the Openmoko list about their current thoughts on Qt support. Tell me, though, what openmoko products are even available at the moment? The Neo 1973 seems to be out of production, and the Freerunner is not yet available. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב

Kubuntu Edgy (6.10) missing from archive?!

2008-06-02 Thread Gabor Szabo
I have a machine with Kubuntu Edgy on it and I was trying to install some package but I am getting 404 errors. Looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ it seems that all the Edgy files are gone. I know they have stopped "supporting" it but I don't care about any new package nor even abo

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread michael shiloh
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/2 michael shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding the state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages. Hebrew is not the only RTL language, n

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread michael shiloh
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/2 michael shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding the state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages. Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/6/2 michael shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding the state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages. Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If Openmoko inte

Re: Openmoko Group sale

2008-06-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/2 michael shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding > the > state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages. Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If Openmoko intends to be open in the sen

Re: OT: some thoughts on that open cell phone. :-)

2008-06-02 Thread michael shiloh
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: I just want to toss out some thoughts and see if it inspires anyone: 1. What certification do they have now? FCC Are those certifications accepted in Israel? No, but it does give a ballpark idea of whether the Mo