CS Languages for Teaching [was Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.]

2005-01-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
We are getting dangerously off-topic here. (not that I mind). On Tuesday 25 January 2005 04:05, Micha Feigin wrote: > At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:33:20 +0200, > > Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > > muli > > > > > > Lisp is the language o

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 04:30:03PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > Gilad > > No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to > work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) > In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they > perfo

Re: Different res for different users

2005-01-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 06:04:35PM +0200, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > > Since this topic came up anyway: I know gnome allows different users to > have different screen resolution settings (on the same machine). > > Anybody know if there is a way to set that independently of gnome? The only pla

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:25:56 +0200, Vasiliev Michael wrote: > > On Monday 24 January 2005 16:30, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > Gilad > > > > No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to > > work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) > > In other wor

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:57:32 +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > Didi > > 1. FYI - Jet is totally separate from the Access developer - you can > ship and distribute a Jet runtime (which is a bunch of DLL's basically) > free of charge for any Windows o/s > > 2. imho - Access Basic can be part of

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:05:18 +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > > Danny Lieberman wrote: > > > > > No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to > > work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) > > In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Mu

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:55:13 +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > Tazahi > > I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light: > > I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight: > > a. MS Access developer is free in Office > b. The Academic licenses for Office

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:33:20 +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > muli > > > > Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS > > dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) > > LISP is a family of langua

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Micha Feigin
At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:59:15 +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > muli > > Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS > dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) > > ok - university is about learning to learn but "interesting and > relevant" is usually a personal thin

Different res for different users

2005-01-24 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 23/01/2005, at 23:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: I'm not sure that's the right place for it. You need root permissions to modify /etc/X11/XF86Config. Putting it there does not make sense on Linux. Since this topic came up anyway: I know gnome allows different users to have different screen resolution

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Vasiliev Michael
On Monday 24 January 2005 16:30, Danny Lieberman wrote: > Gilad > > No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to > work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) > In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they > perform theoretic

Re: Strange apache lockups

2005-01-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oron Peled wrote: On Monday 24 January 2005 11:28, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I see a large number of connections in "SYN_RECEIVED" state. In fact, all port 80 connections are in this state. Running a sniffer reveals that a SYN is received, a SYN+ACK sent. Then an ACK is received (the sniffer is

Re: Strange apache lockups

2005-01-24 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday 24 January 2005 11:28, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I see a large number of connections in "SYN_RECEIVED" state. In fact, > all port 80 connections are in this state. Running a sniffer reveals > that a SYN is received, a SYN+ACK sent. Then an ACK is received (the > sniffer is running on th

Re: usb ubsticle

2005-01-24 Thread Aaron
Hi all an update: I found this by googling: but it didn't help does anyone have an idea why a hub might help. Aaron Two suggestions from the Linux USB coders: 1) Add a hub between the Neuros and the Linux machine. Why does this work? No bloody clue, but it 100% fixes the problem on ma

usb ubsticle

2005-01-24 Thread Aaron
HI all, When I boot debian with my external usb hardrive attached I can't boot. It gets stuck on hotplug.If I reboot and disconnect the usb drive I Can boot. But if I try connecting the drive I get a system freeze and must reboot.This behaviour also happens with my visor when I hotsynce my system

[HAIFUX CALL FOR LECTURE] wifi

2005-01-24 Thread Orna Agmon
Hello wireless people, Is anybody interested in giving a talk about one or more of the following wifi topics: *What wifi protocols exists? *How do they work? *How to secure a wifi (for example, if sharing your bandwidth with the neighbor's kid who downloads movies is not your cup of tea)? *How to

Re: c++ sigmentation fault happens only in linux

2005-01-24 Thread Orna Agmon
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > Aviv, nobody thought that modern C++ compilers/OSes can't compile/run > this piece of code. The bug is obviously elsewhere in your program. Now, > traditionally, it would be hard to debug - you'd, as someone else > suggested, find a minimal subset of

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Danny Lieberman wrote: No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they perform theoretical study of the field and are equally likely to b

Re: Debian Sarge and epoll patch

2005-01-24 Thread Kobi Cohen-Arazi
Hi, I've researched it a little bit more and find out that the patches are not applied in that kernel, only the entry points are there. The actual code is not there. A simple test that is published in that website throws ENOSYS epoll_create: Function not implemented /arch/i386/kernel/entry.S:

Re: dichotomy ?

2005-01-24 Thread mavram
Hi, First of all my apologies to Beni and to Tzafrir for the delay in answering and thankin them for the suggestions: I was busy evaluating two alternative routes from my coleagues at work. One was that the LaTex route might be used, followed by dvipdfm and cut & paste from pdf to ms word: It does

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Danny Lieberman
Gilad No arguments there - the best programmers I ever had the privilege to work with were either engineers or physicists - mostly physicists :-) In other words; a Computer Scientist is like a Musicologist - they perform theoretical study of the field and are equally likely to be proficient per

Re: LISP [was Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.]

2005-01-24 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday, 24 ×January 2005 13:40, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Monday 24 January 2005 12:59, you wrote: > > muli > > > > Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU > > CS dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) > > LISP is not really one language, but a family of languages. I

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Danny Lieberman wrote: There is something very wrong with the system when a CS grad needs 1-2 years of industry experience to be able to program whereas a first year student at the Rubin Academy of music can sit in any ANY ensemble, sight read and make music. Professional muscians practice 3-6 h

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Oded Arbel
On Monday, 24 ×January 2005 12:11, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > Tzahi Fadida wrote: > > An idea, can I compile rekall on cygwin? and not be in violation of > > its license when I'll use it in the gov offices without paying the > > company? You could - its GPLed, so you can compile it, modify it, redi

Re: rant: changing color depth

2005-01-24 Thread Offer Kaye
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:03:13 +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: > > 2. And you are trying to pick a fight with a guy who gave you a cynical but > technicly > correct answer. > "cynical"? B.S. You used degrading and inflamatory language in several places ("unintelligent" and "silly" are two examples). Y

LISP [was Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.]

2005-01-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 24 January 2005 12:59, you wrote: > muli > > Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS > dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) > LISP is not really one language, but a family of languages. It includes Scheme, Common LISP, Goo, historical variants such as

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 12:59:15PM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > muli > > Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS > dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) LISP is a family of languages, not one language. If one is to learn LISP today they will probably learn C

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Danny Lieberman
muli Lisp is the language of Autocad - Scheme is the language of the TAU CS dept. Acad has a bigger install base. ;-) ok - university is about learning to learn but "interesting and relevant" is usually a personal thing for a student. Unfortunately - employers want people who know how to work

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Danny Lieberman wrote: Tazahi I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light: I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight: a. MS Access developer is free in Office No, it might not cost money but it is certianly not Free. :-) b. The Academic licenses for Off

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Tzahi Fadida wrote: 10x, However there seems to be a problem with windows: "Windows - Gambas interpreter and compiler now compiles on CygWin but not components. This problem is under investigation. Note that programs without GUI can work. " I wan't aware that Window was a requirement. My bad. kin

RE: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Tzahi Fadida
10x, However there seems to be a problem with windows: "Windows - Gambas interpreter and compiler now compiles on CygWin but not components. This problem is under investigation. Note that programs without GUI can work. " kind of defeates the point. Anyway, I can use VB itself if I wanted too but

Re: c++ sigmentation fault happens only in linux

2005-01-24 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:12:28AM +0200, Aviv Goll wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:16:23 +0200, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:45:52 +0200, > > Aviv Goll wrote: > > > > > > hi, > > > I'm currently writing an assignment in c++ using g++. > > > according to some

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Tzahi Fadida wrote: There are several free open-source projects on the web, however from the looks of it none are comparable to ms access. So the next best thing is to use some webservice combined with some database language. I was thinking about PHP+RUBY RAILS for the db forms + POSTGRESQL. Any ot

Re: Strange apache lockups

2005-01-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shaul Karl wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:41:58AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Apache just freezes once a week (same time, more or less). The time of the freeze is when cron.weekly runs. Manually running cron.weekly does not produce such a freeze. any ideas what the problem may be or where t

Re: Strange apache lockups

2005-01-24 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Shachar, No ideas, but I see a similar problem at a client of mine with SSL support. What version of Apache are you running and what modules are you using? - yba Hmm, things get weirder. I see a large number of connections in "SYN_RECEIVED" state. In fact, all po

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:57:32AM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > 2. imho - Access Basic can be part of a 1 trimester course on > programming languages which should cover a number of modern languages - > like php, java, javascript, Lisp (not scheme) Ok, I'll bite - why lisp and not scheme? >

RE: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Tzahi Fadida
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danny Lieberman > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:55 AM > To: Tzahi Fadida > Cc: 'Oded Arbel'; linux-il@linux.org.il > Subject: Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access. > > > Tazahi > > I

Re: c++ sigmentation fault happens only in linux

2005-01-24 Thread Aviv Goll
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:16:23 +0200, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:45:52 +0200, > Aviv Goll wrote: > > > > hi, > > I'm currently writing an assignment in c++ using g++. > > according to some printouts, during the following lines: > > > > stringstream Fstr; > > fs

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Danny Lieberman
Didi 1. FYI - Jet is totally separate from the Access developer - you can ship and distribute a Jet runtime (which is a bunch of DLL's basically) free of charge for any Windows o/s 2. imho - Access Basic can be part of a 1 trimester course on programming languages which should cover a number of

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:55:13AM +0200, Danny Lieberman wrote: > Tazahi > > I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light: > > I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight: > > a. MS Access developer is free in Office Not exactly. It is built into Offi

Re: c++ sigmentation fault happens only in linux

2005-01-24 Thread shtirlitz
Quoting Aviv Goll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You better fix all vargrind errors. It takes time to understand why they are happening. The stability of my applications have bin raised significantly high after fixing all vargrind errors. Additional thing to test in valgring is gracefull shutdown of you ap

Re: Looking for a viable alternative to MS access.

2005-01-24 Thread Danny Lieberman
Tazahi I've been following this thread and I wanted to shed a different light: I'm not a Microsoft advocate but lets get the facts straight: a. MS Access developer is free in Office b. The Academic licenses for Office are about 30% of the commercial MOLP which is about 20% of the single unit list