Orna Agmon wrote:
And more to the point, we already have CDs, burned and with LOGOS, and
they are even legal.
Speaking personally only, the bad taste will last until the next time at
least. I work with Linux because it's both productive and fun. When I
have to consult a lawyer because of mere
Hi,
Let me quote from a letter from Dirk Ehrenbuettel, debian maintainer of
octave, on the detection and configuration of hardware under debian:
"And, as said in the other thread, Knoppix helps. These days, I mostly
don't bother trying to figure out new hardware for graphics, sounds, ...
but pop
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Eli Billauer wrote:
> > - Cheapbytes specifically renamed their CD's to "Pink Tie Linux"
> > (Eli? Are you associated with them? :-)
> >
> "Pink Tie Linux" is a bad name, because it's taken and may turned out
> trademarked itself. It's not my idea, actually. Someone menti
Ximian Evolution 1.4 is finally stable enough to use. The one on
FC1... ;). Better you install FC1.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote:
> I think that the subject has already been discussed, but things change
> all the time so I am raising this question again.
> Given that MS-Outlook interop
Guess OpenOffice.org should work. The one shipped with Fedora
Core 1 does a nice job on bidi, but not that nice with Arabic
Joining.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote:
> Version 2.0.1 of AbiWord is out, and I have successfully installed
> its RH 8.0 RPMs (by the way, you need also fribidi0-0.
I think that the subject has already been discussed, but things change
all the time so I am raising this question again.
Given that MS-Outlook interoperability is not needed but its features are
needed:
For E-mail, Mozilla can be used. I routinely use version 1.4 and am
happy with it. I even conf
Version 2.0.1 of AbiWord is out, and I have successfully installed
its RH 8.0 RPMs (by the way, you need also fribidi0-0.10.4-0.i586.rpm
to satisfy a dependency). It knows to view those MS-Word *.doc
documents which I tested.
Beside *.doc documents, people still send me MS-PowerPoint *.pps
files o
The issue of Red Hat's trademark policy has been raised on
fedora-devel list and both Alan Cox and a few other people has
forwarded the issue to the legal department. There are a few
hackers there that don't like to put their job under trademarked
software like redhat-config-*.
behdad
On Mon, 1
Oron Peled wrote:
So, after we get used to "Fedora" as a codename for:
"RedHat code without the brand name and no support"
It suddenly may become a "forbidden" word.
Which makes "Fedora" and "Red Hat" equally problematic.
Your idea of finding a "free" name for it would help just a little.
Not l
On Monday 10 November 2003 22:46, Eli Billauer wrote:
> What they seem to be doing, is to restrict the use of their trademarks,
> so if I want my server to answer "Red Hat Linux", I have to pay for that
> luxury. If I'm ready to run a completely identical system, that answers
> "Pink Tie Mushmus
Hi,
Let's all remeber that Red Hat is a company, which has one thing to own:
Trademarks. They want to make money, and I can understand that.
What they seem to be doing, is to restrict the use of their trademarks,
so if I want my server to answer "Red Hat Linux", I have to pay for that
luxury.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:58:29PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> Evening,
> Recently i discovered that my machine (a dual p3 450MHz with
> 256mb of ram) is
> very slow. top says that somewhat like 30% of cpu cycles are being used by
> the system level.
That's a lot. What kind of activity
On Monday 10 November 2003 21:34, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> >You can thank big businesses for that. Take it or leave it, there is
> >now a lot of money at stake.
>
> I guess. I'm just hoping (and certanly pushing) companies from
> keeping their money in the free software proper business. I'm feeli
Evening,
Recently i discovered that my machine (a dual p3 450MHz with 256mb of ram) is
very slow. top says that somewhat like 30% of cpu cycles are being used by
the system level. i suspect that it might be the SMP support which is
compiled into the kernel, mainly because when compiled w
On Monday 10 November 2003 20:10, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement.
>
> And what exactly is new here?
That now they apply the same logic to Fedora which was supposed to be the
"Free" community version.
As a long time RedHat user (af
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:34:14PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> A good friend of mine said that this is just the proof that anyone who
> suceeds tries to become a tyrant. I claimed that wouldn't happen with
> Debian. I'm not so sure now. We know that the FSF would impose a "free
> software o
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:39, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well -
> VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not
> technical. The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User
> License Agreement. That's
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:39:07PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well -
VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not
technical.
Boo, real men use UML and report bugs :-)
The probl
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:39:07PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well -
> VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not
> technical.
Boo, real men use UML and report bugs :-)
> The problem was that Fedora now inc
Oded Arbel wrote:
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't there a "black-list" at Mozilla.org.il ?
i mean:
http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml
Yes, and its a very good list, unfortunatly it only checks for Mozilla
compliance. I would really like a list that also c
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:03, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> >While Debian supplies tools for all of these, and while mostly techincally
> >superior, in terms of user-friendliness these are usually inferior to
> > tools provided by other distributions.
>
> Can you please qualify your last statement?
How 'bout using Plone for the platform? Make it a community knowledge
building site, instead of a zine.
Gabor Szabo wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Hi IGLUs,
I was wondering: Would it be possible to start an IGLU/Linux-IL eZine?
An online weekly that describes what's going
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:39, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well -
> VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical.
> The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement.
> That's
Hello,
There are some new updates for people bringing their computer to the Linux
Day that would be this Wednesday (12/11) in the Student Union building from
10:00 till 20:00:
- The required disk space for the install is at least 3GB, where 6GB is
required for a full install. In general, the
Hi list,
I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well -
VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical.
The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement.
That's right, folks.
I may be paranoid, but to me an EULA means that s
Here it is, sorry, for tarshing you mailboxes ...
Add this to /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd
DHCPDARGS=eth1
On Monday 10 November 2003 18:00, Stas Goshtein wrote:
> Hello there all folks,
> I would like to make DHCP server answering only on one of the two
> interfaces in my computer, since one of t
Hello there all folks,
I would like to make DHCP server answering only on one of the two interfaces
in my computer, since one of them is connected to Intranet, while the second
one will be used for LAB. I would like to activate DHCP server only on the
second one - is it possible? Linux
Oded Arbel wrote:
Contrary to common belief, users (not power-users) are required to
"administer" their computers. Installing new hardware (graphical card,
hard-drive or even a new mouse), removing old software and installing new,
creating more users, changing ISP - these things users expect to
Nadav,
Can you test it the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL way? So we know if it can
be the same problem?
behdad
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: Redhat 9 slowness -
> continued":
> > There was a recent thread on lkml about locking suckage wit
Amichai Rotman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my
> host name.
>
> I tried changing it, no luck.
>
> Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx).
>
> How can I change it back to my favorite host name?
Howdy,
IBM Learning Services IL (http://www-5.ibm.com/il/services/learning/)
is looking for instructors for courses in the following areas:
- Linux Administration
- Linux Programming
- Linux Kernel Development and Device Drivers
You will be expected to prepare the relevant course and teach
it
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:42, Oded Arbel wrote:
> I of course completly disagree. by definition a browser should always make a
> best effort in trying to display a web page, no matter how broken it is.
Sure thing. Content consumers (web browsers) should as lenient as possible,
but we are talk
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Isn't there a "black-list" at Mozilla.org.il ?
> i mean:
> http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml
Yes, and its a very good list, unfortunatly it only checks for Mozilla
compliance. I would really like a list that also checks for othe
On Monday 10 November 2003 13:14, Ely Levy wrote:
> and personaly I very much disagree with khtml way of imitating ie behavor
> instead of not displaying webpage which is not by the standart
I of course completly disagree. by definition a browser should always make a
best effort in trying to disp
Isn't there a "black-list" at Mozilla.org.il ?
i mean:
http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml
Oren Maurer
---
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http://mail.walla.co.il
Maybe some opensource browsers doesn't support teh standart well
but then you need to send a bug report to the project not change the site
there are way too many opensource browsers and there would be a lot more
of them. You cant go by the whims of each browser or blame sites for
bad programming of
that's what w3c is for,
they also have validators on their site to check if the site
is compatible.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> Hi Linuxers,
>
> How about starting, through Hamakor, some kind of a rating / certification
>
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On Monday 10 November 2003 11:27, you wrote:
> > The validator, only the validator, nothing but the validator!
>
> yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web
> sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator fri
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:16, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> I have personally installed Debian for several newbies. There is
> nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with Debian for newbies. The only
> problem with Debian is the initial HW configuration process. As this
> takes place during the install
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:24, Oron Peled wrote:
> So, yes for FOSS compliant list if it includes a the "correct" guidline
> for compliance: "Validate your site against the validator, and you'll save
> time validating against multitude of browsers/versions"
I'll make sure to include this guidel
On Monday 10 November 2003 12:12, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> >yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web
> > sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator friendly.
>
> It's easier to conform to one browser (the validator) than to each and
> every browser o
On Monday 10 November 2003 11:27, Oded Arbel wrote:
> yea, yea, of course. and still you can't reasonably expect that all web
> sites in the entire world will be made to be 100% validator friendly.
No. But their deviation can be *objectively* determined.
> My point (which you managed to completly
I have personally installed Debian for several newbies. There is
nothing, I repeat, nothing wrong with Debian for newbies. The only
problem with Debian is the initial HW configuration process. As this
takes place during the installation party, that really should not be an
issue.
Having said th
Oded Arbel wrote:
I could go further and state that there are pages that FOSS browsers render
exactly as the author intendeded, while at the same time if you call
Validator on them you'd get screens full of errors.
And will those pages work with PDA browsers? How about brile browsers
for th
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman
> > One more spot for Debian: It's support would probably never cease.
Probably because it never existed anyway.
Commercial 3rd party support and hobbist support always existed for Debian as
well as for RedHat (9 and older) and will exist
Hello all,
This is a reminder that today (10/11) we will have a meeting with
installers before the Linux Day. The meeting will be held in room 3 in the
Taub Computer Science building at the Technion at 18:30. The meeting is
mandatory for those who wish to be installers in the Linux Day on 12/11.
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:22, Oron Peled wrote:
Yes, I agree with all of what you said up until now. standards are important,
fix the browsers, bla bla. I was just stating the facts.
> > ... and also a lot of pages that will completly fail any validator but
> > still work reasonably well.
Well, it is too late, and besides, there are both Fedora and MDK nowdays,
meant for newbies.
You should remember that Debian is not considered fit for newbies, and
therefore, we better not install it.
Ez.
On Monday 10 November 2003 09:55, Dotan Mazor wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200
Amichai Rotman wrote:
Hi All,
The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my
host name.
I tried changing it, no luck.
Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx).
How can I change it back to my favorite host name?
Thanks,
Amichai.
Depend
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote about "Host (re)name?":
> Hi All,
>
> The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my
> host name.
>
> I tried changing it, no luck.
To change your kernel's view of the hostname (what 'hostname' or 'uname -n'
return), run "
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about "Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued":
> There was a recent thread on lkml about locking suckage with the NPTL
> libraries. I haven't followed too closely, but it might be relevant:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=106797325227861&w=2
On Monday 10 November 2003 09:23, Oded Arbel wrote:
> ... one major problem with W3 validator (and the people who keep refering
> to it as a compatibility testing tool ;-) is that it has a very high
> Signal/Noise ratio. It complains about a lot of stuff that browsers today
> take for granted and
Hi All,
The DHCP client I am running for the Cable Internet connection took over my
host name.
I tried changing it, no luck.
Keeps renaming it back to the DHCP client's name (dhcp--xx).
How can I change it back to my favorite host name?
Thanks,
Amichai.
===
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 08:37:53AM +0200, Tal, Shachar wrote:
> Just to give a few examples:
> gcc/glibc's atoi() is 50% slower than VC6 runtime with Intel's massively
> optimizing compiler.
Can you produce the generated assembly for both cases? which options
were given to gcc? which glibc versio
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
We are building the branding for the "Haifux distro" based on RH9.
It would probably be too late to mention, but since RH would stop
supporting its 9 version in the next months, I would recommend you to
distr
On Monday 10 November 2003 08:25, Tal, Shachar wrote:
> I believe w3c.org has an HTML/XHTML/strict etc. validator online, so this
> can be verified online by users
> > How about starting, through Hamakor, some kind of a rating /
> > certification
> > system for Israeli Web sites to check if they
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