iptables and smart routing

2003-06-08 Thread Alon Altman
1. Short question - is there any way for iptables to mangle the DESTINATION ip address after routing a packet and the SOURCE ip address before routing it? 2. Big question - I have the following network setup at home: ___ (linux) __|

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Vainsencher
The best Paul Graham article on this subject is http://www.paulgraham.com/paulgraham/icad.html Which should convince you that if someone is telling you that language A he knows and you don't is better than language B you both know, you should learn at least a little of A just in case he's right.

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 09:51:46PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > AM>> and many other universities teach Scheme in their introduction > AM>> to CS classes. Scheme has garbage collection, no pointer > AM>> arithmetics, unboundedly > > Well, I personally never understood how anybody can use, let

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Dan Armak
On Sunday 08 June 2003 22:42, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > >> Seriously - the "average person in the street" isn't aware about the > >> alternatives. The "standard" costs the tax payers a lot of money and > >> locks out the competition. This is what brought us to the current > >> situation. > > Gove

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread linux_il
On Sunday 08 June 2003 22:42, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Government decision that all schools should use OpenOffice would also cost > the taxpayers (maybe less) and lock out the competition. The only visible > difference is that "we" win and "they" lose. That's OK, but speaking in > these terms an

Re: SuSE rep in Israel

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Hiya, all. I seem to remember (weakly) that someone here asked for SuSE rep in Israel. I have stumbled upon one and, to save the adverts, whoever it was who was looking for one, contact me and you shall be informed. M Yeah? If used to be PF1 used to be

Re: Miki Eitan's IT Chug

2003-06-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi Daniel, Being as it is that Hamakor is currently trying to find a project leader for pushing this thing directly with someone in the MoE, I think this effort HAS to be coordinated. Agree, That's why I raised the issue, rather than going off half cocked. I'm having a m

Re: FS/OS in schools: why don't *they* tell us what they want?

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
>> Seriously - the "average person in the street" isn't aware about the >> alternatives. The "standard" costs the tax payers a lot of money and >> locks out the competition. This is what brought us to the current >> situation. Government decision that all schools should use OpenOffice would also c

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
AM>> The main change since JDK1.1 was the clean and fairly complete AM>> Collections framework in JDK 1.2, but that's of course not a AM>> language change (although it's much more important than scrictfp AM>> or assert). It definitely is. Standard Java library is a part of "Java" language package,

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: > Hi List. > > May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the > ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is > connected by ADSL provided by internet zahav. The server runs apache > ht

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Stiven Andre
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 20:23, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: > > Hi List. > > > > May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the > > ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is > > connect

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
AM>> and many other universities teach Scheme in their introduction AM>> to CS classes. Scheme has garbage collection, no pointer AM>> arithmetics, unboundedly Well, I personally never understood how anybody can use, let alone like, a language that has '(' and ')' as it's only syntax and I persona

SuSE rep in Israel

2003-06-08 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Hiya, all. I seem to remember (weakly) that someone here asked for SuSE rep in Israel. I have stumbled upon one and, to save the adverts, whoever it was who was looking for one, contact me and you shall be informed. M -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone

Re: Communicating problems with rh8 httpd server.

2003-06-08 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 03:54:20AM +0300, Stiven Andre wrote: > Hi List. > > May be the post is a little OT becouse the problem may as well be in the > ISP(as I guess). So here is the situation: I have a rh8 server that is > connected by ADSL provided by internet zahav. The server runs apache > ht

[Solved] Unsetting GTK_RC_FILES in KDE on Mandrake 9.1

2003-06-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
OK, I found a solution. By setting GTK_RC_FILES and GTK2_RC_FILES in my bashrc, they were not set again. I was finally able to realize what to do by inspecting the kdebase RPM and searching for Galaxy. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi! > > I recently r

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
"Oh goodie, a holy war :-)" [seen on usenet] Well, this is a long thread (and yes, I've read it all) and I feel like replying at almost every point so I'll reply in one piece ;). I've learnt mainly Pascal for my 5 points bagrut. Now that I think of it, the most characterizing thing about this is

Re: Call for help- changing from ie only to standard

2003-06-08 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Shoshannah Forbes wrote on 2003-06-08: > I was contacted by "Ort" for help making their CMS system ("Merhavim" > "מרחבים") compatible to standards, and not just ie browsers as it is at > the moment (gecko displays a blank page, khtml safari only the top line) > > The system runs a few sites, inclu

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eran Tromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hardly! In Java's new generics you declare what the template argument > must extend/implement. > In C++'s templates the template code just references members and hope > for the best; if the best doesn't happen, you get incomprehensible > compile-time error

Call for help- changing from ie only to standard

2003-06-08 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
I was contacted by "Ort" for help making their CMS system ("Merhavim" "מרחבים") compatible to standards, and not just ie browsers as it is at the moment (gecko displays a blank page, khtml safari only the top line) The system runs a few sites, including http://www.nagish.org.il As I am not a

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Eran Tromer
On 2003/06/08 12:56, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Reportedly, more important changes will be introduced in 1.5, > including [snip] templates (dubbed "generics") Hardly! In Java's new generics you declare what the template argument must extend/implement. In C++'s templates the template code just ref

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
At 13:16 08.06.2003 +0200, Eran Tromer wrote: On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 > if I'm not mistaken). Nearly so. JDK 1.1 added the "strictfp" keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the "assert" keyword. True, yes...

Re: Hebrew with Crossover office

2003-06-08 Thread Oleg Kobets
Is this by any chance refers to Mandrake 9.1 ??? - Original Message - From: "Aviram Jenik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: Hebrew with Crossover office > Hi, > > I'm currently evaluating CX office, and I'm liking what I'm seeing

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eran Tromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > > Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 > > if I'm not mistaken). > > Nearly so. > JDK 1.1 added the "strictfp" keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the "assert" > keyword. Re

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Eran Tromer
On 2003/06/08 12:01, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > Java itself, the language, hasn't changed since JDK 1.1 (released in 97 > if I'm not mistaken). Nearly so. JDK 1.1 added the "strictfp" keyword, and JDK 1.4 added the "assert" keyword. Eran =

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
At 10:20 08.06.2003 +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: HM>> Last time that I heard, in Ben-Gurion university, the first programming HM>> language was Java. That's a swell idea in my opinion. Java is HM>> feature-complete, you can't argue with that. It also means that students I can. Too many times I

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Stanislav Malyshev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I can. Too many times I have heard from Java guys working next door > phrases like "This feature works starting with Java 1.x" and saw "This > feature is deprecated". Say hi to the guys next door... But really, I think you misinterpret this. Yes,

Re: Linux distro for old computers

2003-06-08 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון, 8 ביוני 2003, 01:10, Tzafrir Cohen כתב: > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:25:38PM +0300, Dan Armak wrote: > Content-Description: signed data > > > On Saturday 07 June 2003 21:04, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > > > > Use custom installtion. Ditch stuff you don't need. > > > > > > Tried that.

Re: announce: SendSMS 3.4

2003-06-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Sat, 07 Jun: > > The problem is that ping does not work on URLs. It only works on > > hostnames. You should use wget for URLs or ping the hostname. > > Yeah, big "fadiha". Next time - a shower before starting to use the > computers ;) fiii... a shower is al

Re: C flame (was: FS/OS in schools)

2003-06-08 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
HM>> Last time that I heard, in Ben-Gurion university, the first programming HM>> language was Java. That's a swell idea in my opinion. Java is HM>> feature-complete, you can't argue with that. It also means that students I can. Too many times I have heard from Java guys working next door phrases