Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Eli Billauer wrote: So I had a closer look in the GPL. It's nice that we have an intellectual conversation about its details, but I don't think that Microsoft will care very much about them. That company has a history. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: You need to look deeper into what "derived work" mea

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Shaul Karl
It might help a larger audience as well as for the sake of the list archive if the Hebrew translation of the GPL were mentioned. One URL for it is http://www.law.co.il/computer-law/gpl-hebrew.html My legal English sucks, and I am fairly unsure about the non legal one. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAI

Re: pstopnm

2003-03-05 Thread David Harel
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: However if I try the same process using pipes: smb2ps infile | pstopnm -stdout - | pnmtojpeg > file Does not work. The reason it does not work in pipe is that the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@# pstopnm command adds it's own garbage to the

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:04:01PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: > I might not have read the license too well. Could you show me where that > is stated. What I found was (after section 2c). The GPL FAQ at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html is interesting reading, if you're a license geek. F

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote: > Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: > > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my > > current workplace. Outlook is not just a mail client but a (convenient! > > IMHO) address book + calendar + notes + mail organizer

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Oron Peled
On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:57:37 +0200 Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being #1 means that the system needs to be adapted to grandma, not us. Of course not, this is free software -- you can have the cat both live and dead at the same time :-) Each distro (Debian, RedHat Linux, Linux-From-

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-05, Arie Folger wrote: > On Wednesday 05 March 2003 15:59, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > > - You can't write a loop that will execute the same code many times. > > This too existed in Babbage's engine but algorithms were written > > expecting such an ability long before, for examp

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: > You remind me what I knew about using Windows before I arrived to my > current workplace. Outlook is not just a mail client but a (convenient! > IMHO) address book + calendar + notes + mail organizer. You can say they > don't belong together but the

Re: pstopnm

2003-03-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However if I try the same process using pipes: > smb2ps infile | pstopnm -stdout - | pnmtojpeg > file > > Does not work. > The reason it does not work in pipe is that the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@# pstopnm > command adds it's own garbage to the output file wh

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Arie Folger
On Wednesday 05 March 2003 15:59, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: > - You can't write a loop that will execute the same code many times. > This too existed in Babbage's engine but algorithms were written > expecting such an ability long before, for example Euclid's > algorithm for finding the

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-05 Thread Alon Altman
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Vadim Vygonets wrote: > Quoth Alon Altman on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: > > If you want to use egged.co.il on Mozilla, use my interface. It's much > > easier and lighter - http://alon.wox.org/egged.html (ignore the "line no." > > box) > > Great, but please specify Hebrew encoding in th

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-05 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Alon Altman on Tue, Mar 04, 2003: > If you want to use egged.co.il on Mozilla, use my interface. It's much > easier and lighter - http://alon.wox.org/egged.html (ignore the "line no." > box) Great, but please specify Hebrew encoding in the web page headers (this discussion is about standards

Re: pstopnm

2003-03-05 Thread Jason Friedman
I believe that pstopnm just calls ghostscript - you can call ghostscript yourself. I think a call to ghostscript something like: gs -q -sDEVICE=pnm -sOUTPUTFILE=- with quiet requested Bmay do what you want. Jason --- Jason Friedman Ph.D. St

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-05, Eli Billauer wrote: > My original argument was that if Linux becomes too popular, bad things > may happen. And if "Microsoft Linux" would be marketed agressively, it > would be the first time most people would ever hear about Linux. (Most > people are "your grandma"). > I think, if

pstopnm

2003-03-05 Thread David Harel
Hi, I am trying to run pstopnm on pipe. The command: smb2ps infile > a ; pstopnm a; pnmtojpeg a000.ppm > b displays some output to stdout and converts correctly. However if I try the same process using pipes: smb2ps infile | pstopnm -stdout - | pnmtojpeg > file Does not work. The reason it does

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Billauer
So I had a closer look in the GPL. It's nice that we have an intellectual conversation about its details, but I don't think that Microsoft will care very much about them. That company has a history. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: You need to look deeper into what "derived work" means in the GPL. I

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-05, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > For complex things, I usually find complex, sophisticated spreadsheets > much less maintainable than real programs (or scripts). I have heard > horror stories about thousands lines of macros that organizations > depend on and noone knows what's inside the

Linux becoming #1 is good for everyone

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Armak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 March 2003 11:57, Eli Billauer wrote: > When will you guys understand, that Linux becoming OS #1 is our worst > nightmare? > > Being #1 means that the system needs to be adapted to grandma, not us. > If it has to sell to the masses, it

Re: Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:19:52PM +0200, Eli Segal wrote: For some of the internal aspects of the Debian project, including making a deb, you might follow the link to the Developers' Corner in the Debian home page, http://www.debian.org. Actually, you might want to explore the Debian site more

Off-topic - Administrator needed

2003-03-05 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
Hi I talked with some one from Cupidon and he told me they looking for full time job Admin. Obviously I told him ill submit a message to the Linux mailing list where pros can be found :) http://www.cupid.co.il/cupid2/stuf/stuf.html -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service

Re: Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Segal
Can you give me his email ?? I would like very much to contact him about that - Original Message - From: "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eli Segal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Submitting Debs > On We

Re: Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003, Eli Segal wrote about "Submitting Debs": > Hey .. > > Does anyone here know, where can i find information > on packing .debs and submiting them ??? > > I want to pack various of software in hebrew and submit them > so we could just install rather then compile'em Baruch Ev

Re: Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Segal
well ... I have a few ... xchat, licq, the new LyX - Original Message - From: "Muli Ben-Yehuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eli Segal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Submitting Debs =

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eli Billauer wrote: I haven't gotten very deep into the GNU licence, and I haven't thought this all through. But I'm quite confident that if someone really wants, it's possible to release a Linux distro with a vital component, which is closed. It depends on your meaning of vital. The only thin

Re: Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:58:02PM +0200, Eli Segal wrote: > Does anyone here know, where can i find information > on packing .debs and submiting them ??? http://www.debian.org, look for developer documentation. Lots and lots of developer documentation. > I want to pack various of software in

Submitting Debs

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Segal
Hey .. Does anyone here know, where can i find information on packing .debs and submiting them ??? I want to pack various of software in hebrew and submit them so we could just install rather then compile'em thanx Eli = To unsubs

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eli Billauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I haven't gotten very deep into the GNU licence, and I haven't thought > this all through. Oh... > But I'm quite confident that if someone really wants, it's possible > to release a Linux distro with a vital component, which is closed. Well, I don't w

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:58:17PM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: > You don't close the source of the kernel. You close one small crucial > component of it by rewriting it. This means, that every time a new > kernel is released, you take its source, make a patch, compile, and > remove your own litt

Re: Shachar Shemesh strikes Again!

2003-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Orr Dunkelman wrote: You are all invited for another haifux lecture. The lecture will take place on next Monday, 3/3/3, 18:33, in Taub (3+3), the computer science dept. bldg. in the technion. The lecutre will contain a demonstration of buffer over-runs. This is the second part of the lecture abou

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2003-03-05, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-( > > > > No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"... > > > rsh (1) - remote shell

Re: Mutt 1.4

2003-03-05 Thread Eliran Gonen
Eli Segal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Have you guys try it ??? I'm using it. > it says on their site that it uses iconv to display the msg > so that means it will support hebrew out of the box ??? I think that depends on your terminal's preferences. If I get unicode messages I just cat them in a fil

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Billauer
I haven't gotten very deep into the GNU licence, and I haven't thought this all through. But I'm quite confident that if someone really wants, it's possible to release a Linux distro with a vital component, which is closed. How, pray, can RedHat close source the kernel? You don't close the sour

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-05 Thread Guy Baruch
Nadav Har'El wrote: No, the workaround stopped working a week after you posted it. It now uses an invalid certificate (!) to secure the connection, which makes the site unusable. In that case I agree, it is the most urgent for me as well. also, kindly mail me in private the specifics of the

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:57:37AM +0200, Eli Billauer wrote: > And suppose that Red Hat would totally rewrite some small central part > of the kernel, making it deliberately incompatible, and not release the > source? And then market it agressively with bells and whistles? Who > would care tha

Go-Linux conference

2003-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
After some confusion regarding the dates, and despite posters and ads showing to the contrary, the "Go-Linux" event organized by People and Computers will take place on April 10th, 2003, at the Hilton hotel. The admitance will be free (as in air), and will require prior registration.

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Eli Billauer wrote: When will you guys understand, that Linux becoming OS #1 is our worst nightmare? Being #1 means that the system needs to be adapted to grandma, not us. If it has to sell to the masses, it has to be adopted to the masses. It's enough to see how the main Linux distros have ch

Re: egged.co.il works

2003-03-05 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003, Guy Baruch wrote about "Re: egged.co.il works": > > > Nadav Har'El wrote: > > >Yes. Bank Leumi is the worst as far as I'm concerned. > > > > > but bank leumi has a workaround as the old site, which was posted here > some months back. No, the workaround stopped working a

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Billauer
When will you guys understand, that Linux becoming OS #1 is our worst nightmare? Being #1 means that the system needs to be adapted to grandma, not us. If it has to sell to the masses, it has to be adopted to the masses. It's enough to see how the main Linux distros have changed over the las

Re: Browsers, compatility, and price

2003-03-05 Thread Lars Knoll
> Why? > > Because browsers implement standards poorly. > > Because some browsers (Kon* Op*) don't really care about standards. > They're bound to forever invest time in chancing undocumented stanadards. Let me say that we (the konqueror developers) do care! How come you assume we don't? Yes, w

Re: [Fwd: BSA Accuses OpenOffice ftp sites of piracy]

2003-03-05 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-03-05, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Isn't rsh with an empty password a good replacement for Outlook? :-( > > No. The "r" in rsh stands for "restricted"... > rsh (1) - remote shell The one that is a big security hole even with a password... -

RE: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Assaf Flatto
> > I hope this wont scare away people from Linux. Linux will > never displace > Windows as the number 1 OS in Israel until it will have user friendly > spokepersons like Microsofts ads. Much of the success of Linux in the > world is due to Linus being a good looking blonde and we need > to l

Re: Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eli Segal wrote: Well.. Havr you seen Information week ?? with the big penguin on the cover . very interesting and promising article with some of you there (at least shlomi fish) If I'm not mistaken the cover also hosts the faces of Shachar Shemesh and Doron Ofek. I hope this wont scare aw

Information Week

2003-03-05 Thread Eli Segal
Well.. Havr you seen Information week ?? with the big penguin on the cover . very interesting and promising article with some of you there (at least shlomi fish) Eli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the w

Re: Google AdWords and Ha'makor

2003-03-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Alon Altman wrote: Hi, One interesting activity that Ha'Makor might want to sponsor is a Google AdWord campaign to push our interests (for example, a search for website building tools or firms should have an ad for standards supporting firms and tools). This activity is very inexpensive ($0.05 pe