I didn't want to detail too much in the point of CONF files, because it
was not my main point. But it caused some balagan, so please let me
give an example of a format that is not proprietary, and on the other
hand is not XML, and still is great for developing GUI's for:
X Resources.
Does
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
> Focus ALL the efforts to improve the compatibility issues:
>
> * kernel, device drivers, etc. I thinkthat the most important events
> for the friendliness of Linux in the recent years, were the launch of
> Linux 2.2, and the launch of Linux 2.4. And hardwar
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
> > Meanwhile, it is supposed to be to the Linux kernel and its kernel
> > modules what CPAN or Debian apt are for Perl and Debian. (and then some).
> > I.e: download, configure and install kernel modules from th
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instructions below, and received confirmation that I am unsubscribed, but
the messages keep coming. Would someone please delete my name from the
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thanks
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Hi :-)
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 02:10 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
I know tools like apt
that help, but they are no good for computers with no internet
connection,
Hi
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
>
> On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> >
> >> I know tools like apt
> >> that help, but they are no good for computers with no internet
> >> connection, and are horrible over dial up.
> >
> > apt-get --recon
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
> On Saturday 11 January 2003 21:28, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> >
> > And re-install all of your programs. And hopefully you have your config
> > saved.
>
> Talking about re-installation of Windows here, not Linux.
Me too. What about all of your configurati
Hi,
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Omer Zak wrote:
> Why, yes of course, if you move to binary configuration files for your
> applications and make their format a trade secret and release obfuscated
> source files for the modules, which deal with the configuration files,
> then you in effect erect a tollga
On Sunday, Jan 12, 2003, at 01:03 Asia/Jerusalem, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
And but - if the hardware is rare, there
may be as well that noone in the Linux community have any interest in
writing
the driver, even with the specs there in the open.
Tell me about it :-( That is exactly the case with
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
>
> * Dependency hell. Nothing like running a RPM (when you are not
> connected to any network) to get dependency errors about missing files.
> Or when you are using another machine (with a fast internet connection)
> to download RPM's and burn them on
On Saturday 11 January 2003 21:28, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> And re-install all of your programs. And hopefully you have your config
> saved.
Talking about re-installation of Windows here, not Linux.
>
> What you mention is "mystrious" behaviours, not hardware installations.
> Proper usage of packag
Title: the problem with LINUX
Yeah, linux is a crappy piece of software. What isn't? But at least, it
was all written by kind sirs who awed nothing to you.
Anyway, Windows is no better. Even Windows needs the touch of
a techman for it to run smoothly and not crappily.
Things, all thi
Following Omer's response:
Just to clarify, I've NEVER mentioned Proprietary format;
XML is great (though you may inherit the problems of ASCII by writing a
"cheating" schema).
PostgreSQL/MySQL is good too (although it depends on a specific
implementation of a database).
And I was serious when I
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
>
> * Migration from the current ASCII "CONF" format to binary format or
> database-based format. There are zillion GUI's for Apache (just as an
> example), and none is good, because it's impossible to develop a GOOD
> GUI for an ASCII-based configurati
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Meanwhile, it is supposed to be to the Linux kernel and its kernel
> modules what CPAN or Debian apt are for Perl and Debian. (and then some).
> I.e: download, configure and install kernel modules from the Net (core
> ones or third party); as well as re-co
Warning: the following text is long.
Request: ease don't reply without reading till the end. There may be
mistakes or things that you may want to argue with, but the whole
picture is the important thing, and not the (example:) exact number of
Linux/Windows users.
I agree with Shlomo, but also wit
Quoth shlomo solomon:
> I'm afraid this is going to start a **war** and that's not my
> intention, but I really feel I've got to get this off my chest.
War is good - drives the economy ;-). See if we shan't have one soon.
> My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years)
> i
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote:
> * Migration from the current ASCII "CONF" format to binary format or
> database-based format. There are zillion GUI's for Apache (just as an
> example), and none is good, because it's impossible to develop a GOOD
> GUI for an ASCII-based configuration file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
bloody kde.
What I wanted to say, was that I don't have any pictures, but would be glad to
host them if anyone have them, on the penguin.
Katriel
On Saturday 11 January 2003 20:34, Katriel Traum wrote:
> http://www.tracking-hackers.com/solutions/kit.
Quoting Katriel Traum, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
> http://www.tracking-hackers.com/solutions/kit.tgz
I think you pasted the wrong URL. a small note - this site refers to
crackers as hackers. very dissapointing :-/
--
The best thing since the invention of the cat
Ira Abramov
http://ira.abram
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:32:21 +0200
shlomo solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> although my wife and kids all use Windows - and of course that makes me the
> primary sysop for their machines :-(.
Why? Isn't Windows so easy that anyone can handle it
You see, as someone else already pointed out
Check:
http://fc-solve.berlios.de/clan/clan.html
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/1206.html
Note that I talked about this idea with Rik-van-Riel on the IRC and he
liked it. I also posted it to the LKML, but since it is a goy mailing list
I may not get meaningful answers until
Two remarks:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, shlomo solomon wrote:
[snip ]
> I won't go into the details here, but those who have read my
> posts over the past couple of months know that I had problems with USB
> printer support, iptables, file permissions, etc. And most recently, I
> haven't been able to
Quoting shlomo solomon, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
> My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years)
> is still much too hard to install, set up, and use. As things stand
> now, it's not really a viable alternative for John Q. User. As opposed
> to other OSs (that will rema
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, shlomo solomon wrote:
> My problem is that LINUX (as much as it's progressed over the years) is still
> much too hard to install, set up, and use. As things stand now, it's not
> really a viable alternative for John Q. User. As opposed to other OSs (that
> will remain name
Hello all!
Anyone have digital photos of the event and if so where ? If you can email
some to me I would appreciate it...:). Any free source advocating website
that is willing to carry them ? (I'm willing to put them on my site but 3
visitors per year is not a good idea...:)
Cheers,
Ma
On Friday 10 January 2003 15:56, Ely Levy wrote:
> To whomever wanted the 2.4.20 version of mandrake's kernel
> you might want to try the rpms for the new 9.1beta1.
thankls, but nfortunately, thie following is from the Mandrake web-site
Mandrake 9.1 Beta is now being mirrored and will soon be avai
I'm afraid this is going to start a **war** and that's not my intention, but I
really feel I've got to get this off my chest.
Firstly, let me say that I've been using LINUX on and off for 6 years and that
it's been my only OS since deleting OS/2 (z"l) 3 years ago. So I'm a
committed LINUX user.
Just solved another one of those irritating little problems, and thought
it might help some others.
I was setting up a Mandrake 9.0 system for someone. The command "mailq"
seems to have been missing, but there was "mailq.postfix".
mailq.postfix simply didn't work: it hanged after a while (though i
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 03:46:56PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote:
> when trying to install kazza, i get an ugly win98 popup message that says
> kazza requires windows ver. 4.1 or higher.
> same thing happends with running wine from terminal or from CrossOver Office.
You might try to change the WineLook o
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003, Amir Tal wrote about "kazza lite and wine":
> $ uname -a
> Linux tal 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 unknown unknown
> GNU/Linux
Sorry for completely ignoring your question, but has anybody noticed the
appearance of the string "GNU/Linux" in the output of
On Sat, Jan 11, 2003, Ira Abramov wrote about "Re: A comment on GNU/Linux":
> ideology. One can run a linux machine without an X server and lots of
> other parts, but the basic shells and scripting tools are still born out
> of the GNU project mostly.
But this *cannot* be the main reason why Stall
$ dpkg -l |grep wine
ii libwine0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Library)
ii wine 0.0.20021219-1 Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
ii winesetuptk0.6.0b-1.1 Windows Emulator (Configuration and Setup To
$ uname -a
Linux tal 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> But I recognize again that it may no longer be the case for your
> average Linux user, who may be using Linux without encountering GNU
> ever, or very little indeed. I can easily imagine that the typical
> modern Linux user never uses any of the 10 thi
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> In another example, I think DMCA and DRM and treacherous computing are
> evil. Why? For instance, I happen to own the latest Diana Krall CD. If
> you ask me to burn a copy for you, I will refuse, and I hope we can
> remain friends after that. I will, wi
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems to me that you are bringing ideoligy into the discussion,
> even as you are claiming to reject the notion.
I don't see how.
> Why is it bad that you cannot rip your bought CD and pick and choose
> tracks for your car? You are not, as you c
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> And excuse me for being pessimistic, but I have a hunch that if the current
> trends continues, book libraries will also be a thing of the past in 20 years.
> How long do you think the book publishers will agree to stay out of the pay-
> per-use or pay-per
As you may well know for a long time X got stuck occasionally for me on my
Mandrake system (starting at about 8.1 and progressing through 8.2 and
9.0). A couple of weeks ago, I cancelled the OpenGL hardware Accelaration
(I used the proprietary nVidia drivers) and since then things have been
workin
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical
reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely
technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE
USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If
Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No. As I said, it's not an issue of ego, it's an issue of his
> ideology
I was hoping I was clear that I did not regard this an issue of his
personal ego. And I clearly think he has a point about credit.
> So following my idea that he who wrote the softw
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical
> reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely
> technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE
> USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If you are not (such
Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Quoting Nadav Har'El, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
> > I don't know what your "basic disagreements" are (I guess I'll have to buy
> > you a beer to find out :))
>
> I think Oleg has put it very clearly in a post here, he's against the
> basic ideals of f
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
As a side note, stressing only the technical issues means that
issues such as DRM, Trusted Computing and the DMCA are left out
altogether.
These are technical issues. One should not restrict generic
technologies because th
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote:
> Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
> > Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Oleg, I sort of scanned your E-mail.
> >
> > Why don't you read it, then? You'll see that I mention original
> > authors other than RMS, and my rea
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan:
> Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Oleg, I sort of scanned your E-mail.
>
> Why don't you read it, then? You'll see that I mention original
> authors other than RMS, and my real point is that Linux should *not*
> be called GNU/L
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