Less competition outside of MS-Windows (was: Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost)

2002-07-22 Thread Omer Zak
On 22 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > As for the 'Linux Lost' hugwash, I see where all my Windows-centric > *programers* friends ended up working (if at all) and I see where I and > other Linux people work and I know that *we* have won and will continue > to win. All the rest is just interti

Looking to grab 1MB of memory from an old {ISA,VLB,PCI} display adapter.

2002-07-22 Thread Shaul Karl
I am looking for an old SVGA adapter to grab 2 of its memory chips. I believe I am looking for chips that were popular on the latest generation of {ISA,VLB} display adapters or early generations of PCI display adapters. This imply that if you have such an adapter there is some probability th

Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 06:09, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > What they aren't right in, IMHO, is that such 13 y.o teenagers should get some > life on their vacation instead of spending 18(sic!) hours a day at a computer > - actually becoming computeroholics. Oh, right, they should play some more footb

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eliran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS. > If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the > installation easier. > For the record, me and another member of this list were paid for aprox. 3 years for bu

Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Monday 22 July 2002 12:13, Eliran wrote: > http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2014694,00.html > > What is happening with Ynet ? once they use the term 'cracker' > and another they use 'hacker'... Maybe, but just maybe, the reason is two different journalists having two different opinions?

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Guy Baruch
Eliran wrote: >Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are >available to purchase from locki. > sorry to point the obvious here, but loki went down in a mantle of flames (have I gotten my mythologies mixed up ? o:-) ) so no, there are no serious new games for l

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Yotam Rubin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 05:51:15PM +0200, Eliran wrote: > About the games it's depend about what kind of games... Graphic games such > as > Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are > available to purchase from locki. Ehem, Loki's dead, has been for quite some t

Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2014694,00.html What is happening with Ynet ? once they use the term 'cracker' and another they use 'hacker'... -- http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran G. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMA

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost Not quality, it's the usage of the power of the video card.   --Eliran'>http://www.rootshell.be/~eg">Eliran G. - Original Message - From: Michael Sternberg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE:

RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Michael Sternberg
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost You can not compare seriously quantity and quality of games on Windows and Linux. And this is major use of computer at the most family homes... :( --  -Original Message- --  From: Eliran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] --  Sent: Monday, July 22, 200

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
Of course there are some exceptions, not all users care about the installation or reading/writing documents. But most do care. About the games it's depend about what kind of games... Graphic games such as Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are available to pu

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
My whole point is that installations as a general thing should be "easy" to use, especially OS's installations... Unless you want only gurus and techies to use the OS... Currently I'm trying to help a newbie to install linux but he gets errors in the installation, that's what he get : hda:hewelt

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eliran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS. > If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the > installation easier. True story: Yesterday night an acquaintance asked me to help her with her computer. She was

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote: > > > A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house > > you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it > > for you, or call a shiputznik. > > > > Quite the same with computers. > > But installations *should*

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
> A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house > you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it > for you, or call a shiputznik. > > Quite the same with computers. But installations *should* be a basic and easy to use thing, at least that w

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
I meant that installation should be much more user-friendly so that a general user will be able to install it alone. -- http://www.rootshell.be/~eg";>Eliran G. - Original Message - From: "Orna Agmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eliran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing"uninterruptible sleep" process)

2002-07-22 Thread guy keren
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Omer Zak wrote: > Why then there is such a thing as "uninterruptible sleep" in Unix/Linux? > What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? cause in some situations, you cannot afford to be interrupted. for example, when you have a mutex you own, and

Re: Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing "uninterruptible sleep" process)

2002-07-22 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002, Omer Zak wrote about "Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing "uninterruptible sleep" process)": > Why then there is such a thing as "uninterruptible sleep" in Unix/Linux? > What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? As far as I kn

Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing "uninterruptiblesleep" process)

2002-07-22 Thread Omer Zak
Why then there is such a thing as "uninterruptible sleep" in Unix/Linux? What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, guy keren wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: [... snipped ...] > > > > Their parent- pid 1532 is already dead. > >

Re: killing "uninterruptible sleep" process

2002-07-22 Thread guy keren
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: > I logged in to one of my servers today and noticed that the load average is > very high. After investigating the problem I found two processes in "D" stat > ("uninterruptible sleep"): > > root 24344 0.0 0.2 1532 584 ?DN Jul21 0:01 > /u

killing "uninterruptible sleep" process

2002-07-22 Thread Sagi Bashari
Hi I logged in to one of my servers today and noticed that the load average is very high. After investigating the problem I found two processes in "D" stat ("uninterruptible sleep"): root 24344 0.0 0.2 1532 584 ?DN Jul21 0:01 /usr/bin/updatedb -f NFS,SMBFS,NCPFS,PROC,DEVPTS -