[PATCH v2] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Jakub Kicinski
Multiple vendors seem to prefer taking discussions off list, and ask contributors to work with them privately rather than just send patches to the list. I'd imagine this is because it's hard to fit in time for random developers popping up with features to review into packed schedule. From what I've

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Jakub Kicinski
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 18:07:25 +0200 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > That's basically what I said: such things happen top/down and not at > developer/maintainer level. Sure having it documented somewhere, on > some document that management would actually read can be useful on > discussions, specially

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Jakub Kicinski
On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:26:51 +0300 Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > +Open development > > + > > + > > +Discussions about user reported issues, and development of new code > > +should be conducted in a manner typical for the larger subsystem. > > +It is common for development within a sin

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Em Sat, 13 Jul 2024 09:28:31 -0500 Carlos Bilbao escreveu: > On 7/12/24 09:49, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > > > Multiple vendors seem to prefer taking discussions off list, and > > ask contributors to work with them privately rather than just send > > patches to the list. I'd imagine this is because

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Em Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:19:56 +0300 Laurent Pinchart escreveu: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 10:13:28AM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:05:58 -0700 Jakub Kicinski escreveu: > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:43:14 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > > This reads as a vague amb

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Carlos Bilbao
On 7/12/24 09:49, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > Multiple vendors seem to prefer taking discussions off list, and > ask contributors to work with them privately rather than just send > patches to the list. I'd imagine this is because it's hard to fit in > time for random developers popping up with featur

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Laurent Pinchart
Hi Jakub, Thank you for the patch. On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 07:49:03AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > Multiple vendors seem to prefer taking discussions off list, and > ask contributors to work with them privately rather than just send > patches to the list. I'd imagine this is because it's hard t

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Laurent Pinchart
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 10:13:28AM +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Em Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:05:58 -0700 Jakub Kicinski escreveu: > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:43:14 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > This reads as a vague ambiguous quasi-threat with no actionable way to > > > enforce it. In contrast,

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Em Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:05:58 -0700 Jakub Kicinski escreveu: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:43:14 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > This reads as a vague ambiguous quasi-threat with no actionable way to > > enforce it. In contrast, successful maintainers already have a sense of > > the benefits of pushing d

Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list

2024-07-13 Thread Mauro Carvalho Chehab
Em Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:45:04 -0700 Jakub Kicinski escreveu: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:11:56 +0200 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Not sure what this somewhat obscure message wants to accomplish. > > > > It is quite common to have developers and maintainers discussing > > outside public forums a