Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Jason Hui
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > So I've been talking to our customers (10 at last count) and they > really like what we're doing. There are three things that are getting > in their way: > > linaro-android-media-create > > GCC4.6 > > frequent kernel upgrades > > They love our

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Michael Hudson-Doyle
[resending replying to the list , aplogies Ricardo!] On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:32:00 -0200, Ricardo Salveti wrote: > While I see that it's useful for people to use the outcome of the > Android team to create products, I believe it's quite hard to keep > both stable and unstable with the goals and th

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Tom Gall
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Ricardo Salveti wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Bharathi Subramanian > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I feel, Linaro should maintain only 2 versions - stable and unstable >> external source. instead of maintain staging, tracking, landing, >> mainline etc .. I underst

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Ricardo Salveti
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: > Hi, > > I feel, Linaro should maintain only 2 versions - stable and unstable > external source. instead of maintain staging, tracking, landing, > mainline etc .. I understand internally lot of activities may happen > with partners. But

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 04:00:32PM +0800, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: > I feel, Linaro should maintain only 2 versions - stable and unstable > external source. instead of maintain staging, tracking, landing, > mainline etc Generally, I agree that only two versions must be enough. > Is there any p

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-02-01 Thread Bharathi Subramanian
Hi, I feel, Linaro should maintain only 2 versions - stable and unstable external source. instead of maintain staging, tracking, landing, mainline etc .. I understand internally lot of activities may happen with partners. But for external people, it is should be simple. As of now, only people who

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 31 January 2012 21:54, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > >> On 31 January 2012 15:01, Nicolas Pitre wrote: >> > You just can't have it both ways.  If you focus on a stable platform >> > then you cannot have the latest features.  If you develop new features, >> >

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > On 31 January 2012 15:01, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > You just can't have it both ways.  If you focus on a stable platform > > then you cannot have the latest features.  If you develop new features, > > it obviously can't be stable.  But whatever you do, cu

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 31 January 2012 21:17, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > On 31 January 2012 15:01, Nicolas Pitre wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: >> >>> On 31 January 2012 11:19, Nicolas Pitre wrote: >>> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: >>> > >>> >> They love our builds, but they'd really lik

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 31 January 2012 15:01, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > >> On 31 January 2012 11:19, Nicolas Pitre wrote: >> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: >> > >> >> They love our builds, but they'd really like it if they could get >> >> stock AOSP builds for thei

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > On 31 January 2012 11:19, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > > > >> They love our builds, but they'd really like it if they could get > >> stock AOSP builds for their boards on stable kernels that they can > >> work with

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
I should clarify a little. There are different types of customers. Our main customers are our members. For our members upgraded kernels and GCC4.6 allow them to accelerate their delivery. The customers I've been talking to are actually using our builds to make stuff. They're the small start-up or

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 31 January 2012 11:19, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > >> They love our builds, but they'd really like it if they could get >> stock AOSP builds for their boards on stable kernels that they can >> work with using fastboot that have been CI tested and QA'd. >> >

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > They love our builds, but they'd really like it if they could get > stock AOSP builds for their boards on stable kernels that they can > work with using fastboot that have been CI tested and QA'd. > > I'm not advocating for the wholesale destruction of o

Re: What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
Oh one more thing... Our customers actually prefer to build our distro's from source and not get binary drops. On 31 January 2012 10:52, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > So I've been talking to our customers (10 at last count) and they > really like what we're doing. There are three things that are getting

What our customers want from Android

2012-01-31 Thread Zach Pfeffer
So I've been talking to our customers (10 at last count) and they really like what we're doing. There are three things that are getting in their way: linaro-android-media-create GCC4.6 frequent kernel upgrades They love our builds, but they'd really like it if they could get stock AOSP builds f