Re: What would you like to cross-compile?

2011-08-30 Thread Riku Voipio
On 30 August 2011 18:26, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > On 29 August 2011 17:22, Riku Voipio wrote: >> What else do >> people compile often enough that >> cross-compiling would help? > > Ok, not directly related to Linaro only, but from the armhf buildd configs: > > quantlib-swig > openvswitch

ARM porting Jam today 14:00 - 18:00 UTC

2011-08-30 Thread Riku Voipio
Dear ARM fans, Linaro Developer Platform team organises every week (Wednesday 14:00 - 18:00 UTC) an ARM porting Jam. The idea is to gather all developers together to fix userspace portability issues across the board. The list of bugs being worked on is at launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu

Re: how can i enable hw 3D acceleration on snowball for android?

2011-08-30 Thread Mattias Backman
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Alexjan Carraturo wrote: > 2011/8/31 ZHANGYUZHENG : >> I see snowball uses the mali400 gpu. To enable hw 3D acceleration, i got the >> mali driver and android HAL source code from the ARM web site, but no mali >> DDK cause it uses commercial license. >> So how can

Re: how can i enable hw 3D acceleration on snowball for android?

2011-08-30 Thread Alexjan Carraturo
2011/8/31 ZHANGYUZHENG : > I see snowball uses the mali400 gpu. To enable hw 3D acceleration, i got the > mali driver and android HAL source code from the ARM web site, but no mali > DDK cause it uses commercial license. > So how can I enable hw 3D acceleration on snowball for android? Is it in > d

RE: [PATCH 2/2] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add USB PHY initialization for device

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > From: Pankaj Dubey > > This patch modifies USB PHY initialization code so that USB host > and device can be initialized with the same function. > > Signed-off-by: Pankaj Dubey > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/include/mach/regs-pmu.h |2 +

RE: [PATCH 1/2] ARM: EXYNOS4: Code cleanup and remove extra functions.

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > From: Pankaj Dubey > > This patch removes the intermediate exynos4_usb_phy1_init and > exynos4_usb_phy1_exit function calls. > > Signed-off-by: Pankaj Dubey > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/setup-usb-phy.c | 166 +++-

how can i enable hw 3D acceleration on snowball for android?

2011-08-30 Thread ZHANGYUZHENG
I see snowball uses the mali400 gpu. To enable hw 3D acceleration, i got the mali driver and android HAL source code from the ARM web site, but no mali DDK cause it uses commercial license. So how can I enable hw 3D acceleration on snowball for android? Is it in developing? ___

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 19:48, Alexander Sack wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:09 AM, James Westby > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:10:10 -0500, Zach Pfeffer >> wrote: >> > There's no reason to do it now, because its solving the wrong problem. >> > The problem is sha's disappear. We use sha's b

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 19:09, James Westby wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:10:10 -0500, Zach Pfeffer > wrote: >> There's no reason to do it now, because its solving the wrong problem. >> The problem is sha's disappear. We use sha's because the provide >> immovable references to the state of a set of

Re: Suggestion for ARM related summits at Linaro Connect Q4.11 (co-hosted with UDS-P)

2011-08-30 Thread Tom Gall
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Ricardo Salveti wrote: > Hey all, > > As we're having the Linaro Connect Q4.11 together with UDS-P, would > like to know if there is any special topic it'd be useful to cover as > a summit there. > > Any ARM related topics that might be related with cross-distro >

Suggestion for ARM related summits at Linaro Connect Q4.11 (co-hosted with UDS-P)

2011-08-30 Thread Ricardo Salveti
Hey all, As we're having the Linaro Connect Q4.11 together with UDS-P, would like to know if there is any special topic it'd be useful to cover as a summit there. Any ARM related topics that might be related with cross-distro collaboration or just related with Ubuntu/Debian should fit. Some sugg

RE: [PATCH] ARM: EXYNOS4: Enable system MMU support on Origen

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig |1 + > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c |1 + > 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig b/arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig > index 3ab

RE: [PATCH 3/3] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add support for 8-bit bus width in SDHCI for ORIGEN

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Tushar Behera wrote: > > Platform data for SDHCI controller on ORIGEN board is missing the > support for 8-bit bus width. The platform data is extended in sync > with other EXYNOS4 machines. > > Signed-off-by: Tushar Behera > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c |8 > 1 files

RE: [PATCH 1/1] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add PWM backlight support on Origen

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > From: Giridhar Maruthy > > This patch adds support for LCD backlight using PWM timer on > Origen board. > > Signed-off-by: Giridhar Maruthy > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig |2 ++ > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c | 1

RE: [PATCH] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add FIMC device on Origen board

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > This patch adds definitions to enable support for s5p-fimc driver on > Origen board. > > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig |4 > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c |4 > 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 0 deletion

RE: [PATCH 1/3] ARM: EXYNOS4: Fix sdhci card detection for ORIGEN

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Tushar Behera wrote: > > Fix incorrect value of cd_type field in platform data for sdhci > device. > > Based on "ARM: EXYNOS4: Fix card detection for sdhci 0 and 2". > commit a0d8efedb203b5b908dd46cea38201761e2380f9 > > Signed-off-by: Tushar Behera > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c |

RE: [PATCH 2/3] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add support for secondary MMC port on ORIGEN

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Tushar Behera wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Tushar Behera [mailto:tushar.beh...@linaro.org] > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:39 PM > To: linux-samsung-...@vger.kernel.org > Cc: linaro-dev@lists.linaro.org; kgene@samsung.com; patc...@linaro.org > Subject: [PATCH 2/3] ARM: EXYNOS4:

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:09 AM, James Westby wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:10:10 -0500, Zach Pfeffer > wrote: > > There's no reason to do it now, because its solving the wrong problem. > > The problem is sha's disappear. We use sha's because the provide > > immovable references to the state of

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Paul Sokolovsky < paul.sokolov...@linaro.org> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:42:29 +0200 > Alexander Sack wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Sokolovsky > > > > wrote: > > > > > It's not enough if you still want to refer to it via SHA, due to > >

RE: [PATCH] ARM: EXYNOS4: Add USB EHCI device to Origen

2011-08-30 Thread Kukjin Kim
Sachin Kamat wrote: > > Signed-off-by: Pankaj Dubey > Signed-off-by: Sachin Kamat > --- > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kconfig |2 ++ > arch/arm/mach-exynos4/mach-origen.c | 17 + > 2 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-exynos4/Kc

Re: What would you like to cross-compile?

2011-08-30 Thread Wookey
+++ Konstantinos Margaritis [2011-08-30 18:26 +0300]: > On 29 August 2011 17:22, Riku Voipio wrote: > > Hi, > > Ok, not directly related to Linaro only, but from the armhf buildd configs: > > quantlib-swig > openvswitch > pivy > ns3 > qtwebkit > webkitgtk+ > koffice > mrpt > enblend-enfuse > bzr

Re: State of WiFi and BT Integration

2011-08-30 Thread Andy Green
On 08/31/2011 05:22 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: What's his availability looking like? Will he be able to lend a hand soon? I don't think so... sorry if you got the impression that he's some assignee to Android team because I asked him to get a gerrit account, it really is no

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:10:10 -0500, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > There's no reason to do it now, because its solving the wrong problem. > The problem is sha's disappear. We use sha's because the provide > immovable references to the state of a set of git trees so that people > can reproduce builds exact

Re: edge.validation.linaro.org

2011-08-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Zygmunt Krynicki < zygmunt.kryni...@linaro.org> wrote: > Hi there. > > The validation team has a new edge website, http://edge.validation.linaro. > **org/ that reflects the development > trunk of all of our components. This site

Re: State of WiFi and BT Integration

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 13:56, Andy Green wrote: > On 08/31/2011 12:58 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> >> On 29 August 2011 21:14, Andy Green  wrote: >>> >>> On 08/30/2011 03:24 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Doan had the observation: > I hit a p

Re: Choosing the timer to use in benchmarking

2011-08-30 Thread Michael Hope
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Turgis, Frederic wrote: > Hi, > > What was the timer used previously for benchmarks ? It was a bit random across the different suites. CoreMark uses clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, ...) which is a wall clock with NTP adjustments. EEMBC uses clock() which is a low

Re: State of WiFi and BT Integration

2011-08-30 Thread Andy Green
On 08/31/2011 12:58 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: On 29 August 2011 21:14, Andy Green wrote: On 08/30/2011 03:24 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: Andy Doan had the observation: I hit a problem similar to this last year and discovered that something is a bit br

Re: A really awesome job, thank you!

2011-08-30 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > I just wanted to make everyone aware of the fantastic job that the > infrastructure team and the validation team are doing to ensure that > our builds are extremely easy to use. > > > With the inclusion of test results on the build page: > >

Re: State of WiFi and BT Integration

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 29 August 2011 21:14, Andy Green wrote: > On 08/30/2011 03:24 AM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: >> >> Andy Doan had the observation: >> >>> I hit a problem similar to this last year and discovered that something >>> is a bit broken in make 3.81 related to this. We reverted to make

A really awesome job, thank you!

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
I just wanted to make everyone aware of the fantastic job that the infrastructure team and the validation team are doing to ensure that our builds are extremely easy to use. With the inclusion of test results on the build page: https://android-build.linaro.org/builds/~linaro-android/panda/ We ca

edge.validation.linaro.org

2011-08-30 Thread Zygmunt Krynicki
Hi there. The validation team has a new edge website, http://edge.validation.linaro.org/ that reflects the development trunk of all of our components. This site can be used to check latest development effort, test bug fixes and, to some degree, use new features. This website mimics the conce

RE: 11.07 oprofile on panda busted?

2011-08-30 Thread Turgis, Frederic
Hi, I could suggest to run 10 times the test in a row ;-) but oprofile clearly relies on a configurable timer and not the scheduler tick itself so there is no reason for this limitation, as this is not a rewrite. For example x86 has a CONFIG_OPROFILE_EVENT_MULTIPLEX feature for which developers

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 10:58, James Westby wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:50:51 -0300, Christian Robottom Reis > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46:55AM -0500, Zach Pfeffer wrote: >> > Because we push everything upstream. >> >> While I agree with that blanket statement, there's no reason we wou

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 10:50, Christian Robottom Reis wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46:55AM -0500, Zach Pfeffer wrote: >> Because we push everything upstream. > > While I agree with that blanket statement, there's no reason we wouldn't > provide a [potentially temporary] version of repo that incl

Re: 11.07 oprofile on panda busted?

2011-08-30 Thread Tom Gall
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Turgis, Frederic wrote: > Hi, > > As indicated by Siamashka, we are expected to operate at scheduler tick rate, > i.e. 128Hz (drivers/oprofile/timer_int.c). From your test, we have 84 ticks, > i.e. 656ms of test. > Is that correct ? I checked that also in our An

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:50:51 -0300, Christian Robottom Reis wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46:55AM -0500, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > > Because we push everything upstream. > > While I agree with that blanket statement, there's no reason we wouldn't > provide a [potentially temporary] version of

RE: 11.07 oprofile on panda busted?

2011-08-30 Thread Turgis, Frederic
Hi, As indicated by Siamashka, we are expected to operate at scheduler tick rate, i.e. 128Hz (drivers/oprofile/timer_int.c). From your test, we have 84 ticks, i.e. 656ms of test. Is that correct ? I checked that also in our Android kernel and it was the same. The only impacts we have seen in th

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:46:55AM -0500, Zach Pfeffer wrote: > Because we push everything upstream. While I agree with that blanket statement, there's no reason we wouldn't provide a [potentially temporary] version of repo that included the changes we're pushing upstream. We do this for every on

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
Because we push everything upstream. On 30 August 2011 10:43, Christian Robottom Reis wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 01:25:15PM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote: >> Yeah, I have patch for that. But we cannot use before upstream accepts >> it (because people will get errors checking out tree) and I

Re: 11.07 oprofile on panda busted?

2011-08-30 Thread Tom Gall
Thanks Rob for the suggestion. Same number of runs as last time, same data file as well of course. PU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated) Profiling through timer interrupt samples %image name symbol name 35 40.2299 libjpeg.so.62.0.0decode_mcu 1

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 01:25:15PM +0300, Paul Sokolovsky wrote: > Yeah, I have patch for that. But we cannot use before upstream accepts > it (because people will get errors checking out tree) and I don't hold > my breath for that at all. Why wouldn't we provide our own version of repo that worke

Re: What would you like to cross-compile?

2011-08-30 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On 29 August 2011 17:22, Riku Voipio wrote: > Hi, > > We (Developer Platform) are looking into making Ubuntu/Debian more > cross-compile friendly. In order to > decide what to focus on on first, I'd like to ask from input from you > - what would you like to be able to > cross-compile for the Linar

Re: 11.08 Pre-built Images

2011-08-30 Thread Andy Doan
On 08/30/2011 10:04 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > On 26 August 2011 15:36, Andy Doan wrote: >> The 11.08 release includes some commonly used pre-built images. This >> mean you can now download a single file and "dd" it to your SD card >> without having to use linaro-media-create. >> >> The images jus

Re: 11.08 Pre-built Images

2011-08-30 Thread David Gilbert
On 26 August 2011 15:36, Andy Doan wrote: > The 11.08 release includes some commonly used pre-built images. This > mean you can now download a single file and "dd" it to your SD card > without having to use linaro-media-create. > > The images just use the l-m-c defaults. ie, there's no pre-built i

Re: What would you like to cross-compile?

2011-08-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:17:39 -0300 Ricardo Salveti wrote: > Cross posting at ubuntu-devel. > > - what would you like to be able to > > cross-compile for the Linaro Ubuntu evaluation builds? Libreoffice. An easy one for starters! Best, Bjoern -- https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen __

[ACTIVITY] Multimedia status - wk34.2011 (20110822-201108)

2011-08-30 Thread Ilias Biris
Status: https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Middleware/Multimedia/WeeklyReport Meeting Minutes:https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/Middleware/Multimedia/Notes/2011-08-23 Highlights: Group is now finishing the plans for 1109. Emphasis will be given on completing some of the work threads, as w

RE: Choosing the timer to use in benchmarking

2011-08-30 Thread Turgis, Frederic
Hi, What was the timer used previously for benchmarks ? Your page focuses on accuracy while I think an important point is already the availability/functionality of clock_gettime(CLOCK_PROCESS/THREAD_CPUTIME_ID, ...) on ARM, which measures process/thread execution time vs "wall time" for most o

Re: cpuset configuration and measurements for power management

2011-08-30 Thread Amit Kucheria
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Tony Mansson wrote: > Hello, > > On the topic of C-state statistics: > > For 11.09 there are BP:s to A) fix powertop for ARM and B) create an > Android app for running powertop in Android. By that I mean executing > a reconfigured but upstreamable powertop as a se

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Zach Pfeffer
On 30 August 2011 05:46, Paul Sokolovsky wrote: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:42:29 +0200 > Alexander Sack wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Sokolovsky >> > > wrote: >> >> > It's not enough if you still want to refer to it via SHA, due to >> > repo peculiarities. It should be also reac

[ANN] Android Build/LAVA Continuous Integration

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Sokolovsky
Hello, Initial integration of Android Build and LAVA was launched in 11.07, so works fore more than month now, but you couldn't pleasantly look at its results. Thanks to efforts of the Validation team, now much improved UI integration is launched, see "Test results" section at https://android-bui

[PATCH] s5p-mmc: Fix ambiguous setting of data transfer width

2011-08-30 Thread Chander Kashyap
mmc data transfer width is set as following: WIDE8[5]: 0 = Depend on WIDE4 1 = 8-bit mode WIDE4[1]: 1 = 4-bit mode 0 = 1-bit mode In case of 4-bit mode reset 8-bit mode and in case of 1-bit mode reset 8-bit mode and 4-bit mode Signed-off-by: Chander Kashyap --- drivers/mmc/s5p_mmc.c | 10

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Sokolovsky
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:42:29 +0200 Alexander Sack wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Sokolovsky > > wrote: > > > It's not enough if you still want to refer to it via SHA, due to > > repo peculiarities. It should be also reachable from one of the live > > branches (so, instead of a t

Fwd: request for testing: qemu-linaro git tree

2011-08-30 Thread Fathi Boudra
-- Forwarded message -- From: Peter Maydell Date: 30 August 2011 13:07 Subject: request for testing: qemu-linaro git tree To: linaro-toolchain Hi; I've just completed a tricky rebase of qemu-linaro on upstream; there were several invasive upstream changes which have landed recently

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Sokolovsky
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:15:15 -0500 Zach Pfeffer wrote: [] > >> We could probably just update the branch after the automerge step. > > What do you mean "SHA1 reachability"?  I can "reach" arbitrary > > HEADs using a hash even if they're not tagged so long as I didn't > > garbage collect.  If I tag

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Sokolovsky
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:41:59 -0500 Zach Pfeffer wrote: > On 29 August 2011 10:13, Andy Green wrote: > > On 08/29/2011 09:22 PM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > > >> It's not enough if you still want to refer to it via SHA, due to > >> repo peculiarities. It should be also reachabl

Re: Tracking Android kernel tips and Android builds

2011-08-30 Thread Paul Sokolovsky
Hello Andy, On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:13:07 +0800 Andy Green wrote: > On 08/29/2011 09:22 PM, Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > > It's not enough if you still want to refer to it via SHA, due to > > repo peculiarities. It should be also reachable from one of the live > > branches (so,

Re: cpuset configuration and measurements for power management

2011-08-30 Thread Vincent Guittot
Hi Tony, On 30 August 2011 10:51, Tony Mansson wrote: > Hello, > > On the topic of C-state statistics: > > For 11.09 there are BP:s to A) fix powertop for ARM and B) create an > Android app for running powertop in Android. By that I mean executing > a reconfigured but upstreamable powertop as a s

Re: cpuset configuration and measurements for power management

2011-08-30 Thread Tony Mansson
Hello, On the topic of C-state statistics: For 11.09 there are BP:s to A) fix powertop for ARM and B) create an Android app for running powertop in Android. By that I mean executing a reconfigured but upstreamable powertop as a service and control it from the app. I'd like input on usage pattern

[ACTIVITY] OCTO status report - wk34.2011 (20110822-20110826)

2011-08-30 Thread Ilias Biris
Status report: https://wiki.linaro.org/OfficeofCTO/WeeklyReport Meeting minutes: https://wiki.linaro.org/OfficeofCTO/2011-08-23 = 1109 plans = Check the status report link for more details - UMM: https://launchpad.net/linaro-mm-sig/+milestone/2011.09 - ARMHF - work items from the following bluepr

Re: cpuset configuration and measurements for power management

2011-08-30 Thread Daniel Lezcano
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I did some simple cpuidle measurements and updated the wiki page. https://wiki.linaro.org/WorkingGroups/PowerManagement/Doc/Cpuset Let me know what do you think about the result. Is there a way to get the C-states statistics ? Mike, you menti

Preliminary wiki starting page for i.MX53 QuickStart board

2011-08-30 Thread Eric Miao
https://wiki.linaro.org/Boards/MX53QuickStart Sorry guys, although been pushed and pinged several times by various people we are finally able to come up with a preliminary starting page for i.MX53 QuickStart board. It's currently very simple, and hopefully we'll get it more detailed in the future