Re: User Experience Engineering

2006-01-11 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Ian Hawthorn writes: > The biggest improvement to initial usability on the windows platform > would be quite simple. If lilypond is invoked without arguments (i.e. > by clicking the icon on the desktop) do something ... anything ... at > minimum display some documentation as to usage.  Else ... >

Re: User Experience Engineering > Tutorials

2006-01-11 Thread Riccardo Cohen
I totally agree. On one hand I thank all the 10 years team for developping such a good software including installation, on the other hand I am a bit lost with the syntax. Look that I'm a programmer since about 25 years, and I found quite difficult to learn lilypond syntax (I must be a very bad

Re: User Experience Engineering

2006-01-11 Thread Aurèle Duda
Perhaps something like a tkinter little gui with some useful options to control output format (pdf,ps), a field for input file and a __link to the documentation__ ? (and an OK button, of course ;-) Not a gui to control every aspects of lilypond output, but a window which give to the first-time user

Re: Syntactic synonyms, or no?

2006-01-11 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 30 December 2005 12.13, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Trevor Bača wrote: > > Is ... > > > > \new Score { > > - music - > > \layout { > > \context { > > \Score > > \override Foo #'bar = #value > > } > > } > > } > > > > ... exactly equivalent to ... >

PDF size in 2.7.27

2006-01-11 Thread Thomas Scharkowski
Hello list, I have noticed that the size of the pdfs produced by lily 2.7.27 on (windows xp) is much bigger than in previous versions. I have tested the same file unchanged with 2.7.18 Win > 44 KB 2.7.23 Win > 44 KB 2.7.27 Win > 1.220 KB Perhaps there is something wrong? The output looks

RE: Three Questions

2006-01-11 Thread Nahum Wengrov
-Original Message- From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 21:40 To: Nahum Wengrov Cc: 'Lilypond Mailing List' Subject: Re: Three Questions Mats Bengtsson Wrote: >Please always tell what LilyPond version you are using, to >be sure to get relevant a

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2006-01-11 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Friday 06 January 2006 02.22, Linda Seltzer wrote: > User Experience engineering does not require a GUI or an abandonment of the > programming and typesetting approach. It does not require the abandonment > of providing detailed features. What it requires is that the language > and documentati

Re: Syntactic synonyms, or no?

2006-01-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Erik Sandberg wrote: Also, there are some limitations with the \with construct (for example, \consists bugreport please. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.or

Re: Inputting special symbols

2006-01-11 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Tuesday 10 January 2006 05.15, liang seng wrote: > Hi, I'm just wondering if we can use utf-8 to input Chinese (or other > Asian) characters as well? Yes, see input/sakura-sakura.ly -- Erik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http

Re: Syntactic synonyms, or no?

2006-01-11 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 11 January 2006 14.20, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > Erik Sandberg wrote: > > Also, there are some limitations with the \with construct (for example, > > \consists > > bugreport please. sorry, I remembered incorrectly (it is \accepts that doesn't work inside \with, see with-accepts.ly in

Re: Inputting special symbols

2006-01-11 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Thursday 05 January 2006 12.25, Gilles wrote: > Hello. > > > The problem I've had with that is that when I define > > > > eaigu = "" > > > > and then (later) say > > > > \markup "sym" \eaigu "trique" > > > > what I get in the PDF file is > > > > sym é trique > > > > because Lilypo

Re: Inputting special symbols

2006-01-11 Thread Gilles
Hi. > > > because Lilypond inserts a space between any two markup components. > > > > I noticed that too, and I'd tend to consider this as a bug. > > no, it's the intended behaviour of markup. > > It could be possible to write a markup function that concatenates markup > words, something like \

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2006-01-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Erik Sandberg wrote: Lilypond doesn't ship with an editor on the Windows platform. The probably it actually does. It's called lilypad. It's comparable to notepad, functionality-wise. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___

Re: feature request: semi-automatic vertical spacement

2006-01-11 Thread Trevor Bača
On 1/10/06, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nicolas Sceaux wrote: > > Han-Wen, > > > > It turns out that manually setting vertical spacement tweak is > > way too fragile. They are easily broken when changing LilyPond version > > for instance. Or if one set manually all tweaks, and the

Re: lilypond 2.7.27-1 doesn't install and work

2006-01-11 Thread Paul Scott
Enrico Licini wrote: Hi, I tryed to install lilypond-2.7.27-1.linux.sh but it doesn't work. Opening the file with vim, I saw that there was an error in line 85: $lilydir -xzf should be $lilydir -xjf Another problem is in the file lilypond in ~/bin: the line should end with $* But I am not a

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2006-01-11 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > it actually does. It's called lilypad. It's comparable to notepad, > functionality-wise. The idea was to extend it with a Run button or menu, but I ran out of time when doing the first native windows port. Now we have the nicer lilypad on MacOS, and IWBN to have someth

Re: Three Questions

2006-01-11 Thread Gilles
> > Where can I find the Regression Test Document, http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.6/input/regression/collated-files.html > and the Mailing List > Archives? > http://lilypond.org/web/documentation Gilles ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@g

Re: Inputting special symbols

2006-01-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Gilles wrote: Then, maybe could you explain the rationale behind the intention? I.e for outputting the opposite of the user's input: 1. Add a space where there was none If you have a suggestion how to improve this, I will gladly take patches. The relevant code is in scm/markup.scm. 2.

Re: feature request: semi-automatic vertical spacement

2006-01-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Trevor Bača wrote: The pagebreak/linebreak/stretching is put into an alist, and stored with the system in a table ... will it also be possible to set the *absolute* page position of each staff (and therefore each system) on a page-by-page basis (by means of some reference point, possibly th

\sacredHarpHeads are not recognizable to Sacred Harp Singers

2006-01-11 Thread Laura Conrad
In Lilypond 2.6.6, \sacredHarpHeads is defined (in ly/property-init.ly) as: \set shapeNoteStyles = ##(#f #f mi #f fa la #f) This is really wierd. The shapes aren't going to help anyone sightread if *three* adjacent notes are going to have the same shape. The normal way a shape note sing

RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2006-01-11 Thread Nahum Wengrov
-Original Message- From: ... On Behalf Of Han-Wen Nienhuys Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 18:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linda Seltzer; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17 Erik Sandberg wrote: > Lilypond doesn't ship with an editor on the Windows p

RE: Three Questions

2006-01-11 Thread Nahum Wengrov
>>2) How can I add parentheses around notes? (Look at the scanned image >>-- link below -- to see what I mean. It's the two connected 16ths at >>the end of the 2nd line, the 1st one with lyrics.) >Well, sort of. See the example called "stencil-hacking.ly" in the >Regression Test document. If yo

Re: feature request: semi-automatic vertical spacement

2006-01-11 Thread Trevor Bača
On 1/11/06, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trevor Bača wrote: > >> The pagebreak/linebreak/stretching is put into an alist, and stored > >> with the system in a table > > > > ... will it also be possible to set the *absolute* page position of > > each staff (and therefore each sy

newbie:poor quality output

2006-01-11 Thread debian
Please, I have just started using Lilypond (2.4.5) on a debian sarge system and I am getting on reasonably well with the syntax. But, the quality of my pdf files is very poor. Notes and staff lines etc look ugly. Probably this is a font problem, but I do not know how to proceed. Thanks Joe

Parenthese (was: RE: Three Questions)

2006-01-11 Thread Nahum Wengrov
>>2) How can I add parentheses around notes? (Look at the scanned image >>-- link below -- to see what I mean. It's the two connected 16ths at >>the end of the 2nd line, the 1st one with lyrics.) >Well, sort of. See the example called "stencil-hacking.ly" in the >Regression Test document. If yo