Re: text accidentals [was Re: film score example]

2013-12-01 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/11/30 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 30/11/13 12:30, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> We'll see how to split the amount between sponsors when i'm finished - >> i originally intended to do just flat, natural and sharp, so doing all >> microtonal accidentals may take me extra time. > > > Why don't we

Re: text accidentals [was Re: film score example]

2013-11-30 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 30/11/13 12:30, Janek Warchoł wrote: We'll see how to split the amount between sponsors when i'm finished - i originally intended to do just flat, natural and sharp, so doing all microtonal accidentals may take me extra time. Why don't we split the task? Regular accidentals first as a proof

Re: text accidentals [was Re: film score example]

2013-11-30 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/11/30 Josiah Boothby : > To clarify: > >> >> > Would you like to sponsor this? For $20 i could add special >> >> > accidentals to LilyPond font and adjust \flat, \sharp and >> >> > \natural commands to use them (and maybe others like \semiflat, >> >> > if i'll have time). >> >> >> >> Why

Re: film score example

2013-11-30 Thread Nick Payne
On 30/11/13 21:38, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 30/11/13 00:03, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/11/29 David Kastrup : Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭, F♯ and so on? They are _supposed_ to go well with the text font and kern properly. because *we* have the most beautiful musical fo

Re: film score example

2013-11-30 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/11/30 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 30/11/13 00:03, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> >> 2013/11/29 David Kastrup : >> >>> Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭, F♯ and so on? They are >>> _supposed_ to go well with the text font and kern properly. >> >> because *we* have the most beautiful musi

Re: film score example

2013-11-30 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 30/11/13 00:03, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/11/29 David Kastrup : Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭, F♯ and so on? They are _supposed_ to go well with the text font and kern properly. because *we* have the most beautiful musical font in the world? ;-) I've looked at the output of \

Re: film score example

2013-11-30 Thread Noeck
> I've looked at the output of > \markup { B♭ F♯ } > and it is *hideous* (see attached). Totally unusable. Wow, could you please implement these as the default accidentals into feta font? Just kidding. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 30.11.2013 00:37, schrieb Urs Liska: It should be very easy to write commands that combine note names in the default text font with accidentals from LilyPond while having complete control about scaling and placement is provided. For example, a quick shot \documentclass{article} \usepackage

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 30.11.2013 00:09, schrieb Janek Warchoł: I would also sponsor a solution for using this text accidental in > lilypond-book. I totally recommend using LilyGlyphs! Their added advantage is that they are already implemented - you can send money to Urs right away, he deserves it!:-) Maybe I d

text accidentals [was Re: film score example]

2013-11-29 Thread Josiah Boothby
To clarify: > >> > Would you like to sponsor this? For $20 i could add special > >> > accidentals to LilyPond font and adjust \flat, \sharp and > >> > \natural commands to use them (and maybe others like \semiflat, > >> > if i'll have time). > >> > >> Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭,

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/11/29 Josiah Boothby : > On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:45:33 +0100 > David Kastrup wrote: > >> Janek Warchoł writes: >> >> > Would you like to sponsor this? For $20 i could add special >> > accidentals to LilyPond font and adjust \flat, \sharp and \natural >> > commands to use them (and maybe

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/11/29 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> What do you think about \at function that David wrote? >> (see snippet here >> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/input-shorthands/articulations-not-aligned-with-notes) >> The syntax is a bit awkward, but this function already

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 29.11.2013 21:19, schrieb Josiah Boothby: I would also sponsor a solution for using this text accidental in lilypond-book. If you're after using notation elements in LaTeX (Lua- or Xe- only) you may also have a look at http://www.ctan.org/pkg/lilyglyphs Urs

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Josiah Boothby
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:45:33 +0100 David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > Would you like to sponsor this? For $20 i could add special > > accidentals to LilyPond font and adjust \flat, \sharp and \natural > > commands to use them (and maybe others like \semiflat, if i'll have > > t

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 29/11/13 15:45, David Kastrup wrote: Why not use the Unicode charpoints, like B♭, F♯ and so on? They are _supposed_ to go well with the text font and kern properly. Should fit nicely with the idea of a \textPitch function I floated in the other email. Are there any international-note-name

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 29/11/13 15:34, Janek Warchoł wrote: What do you think about \at function that David wrote? (see snippet here https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/input-shorthands/articulations-not-aligned-with-notes) The syntax is a bit awkward, but this function already does exactly what we w

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > Hi, > > 2013/11/29 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : >> Hairpins that don't begin or end with a notehead or rest are such a typical >> musical notation, so easy to do by hand or with a WYSIWYG score editor, and >> really annoying and finnicky to do with Lilypond. > > What do you t

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/11/29 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > Hairpins that don't begin or end with a notehead or rest are such a typical > musical notation, so easy to do by hand or with a WYSIWYG score editor, and > really annoying and finnicky to do with Lilypond. What do you think about \at function that David

Re: film score example

2013-11-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 13/09/13 05:54, Curt wrote: - Hairpins are surprisingly difficult. Most instruments do not have a natural decay, so hairpins don't necessarily start or end right at the note boundaries. It's necessary to use "fake voices" in these cases. Even with this, it didn't sup

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-11-28 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/9/15 Janek Warchoł : > 2013/9/14 Jim Long : >> On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:14:55PM +0200, Janek Warcho?? wrote: >>> >>> I think that we should add to LilyPond a simple, user-friendly >>> interface that would allow choosing the "density" of music, so that >>> one could write >>> \layout { \horiz

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-15 Thread PMA
PMA wrote: David Kastrup wrote: PMA writes: David Kastrup wrote: PMA writes: Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a fact

Re: film score example

2013-09-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/9/15 David Kastrup : > Janek Warchoł writes: >> As far as i see, implementing this with some reasonable and >> user-friendly syntax would require a substantial discussion. We tried >> to discuss these "GLISS" things last September, but the outcome was >> somewhat discouraging... > > The "dis

Re: film score example

2013-09-15 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > Hi, > > 2013/9/14 Kieren MacMillan : >>> Please take a look at this snippet: >>> http://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/input-shorthands/articulations-not-aligned-with-notes.ly >>> It has some issues, but you'll get an idea immediately after compiling >>> it.

Re: film score example

2013-09-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/9/14 Kieren MacMillan : >> Please take a look at this snippet: >> http://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/input-shorthands/articulations-not-aligned-with-notes.ly >> It has some issues, but you'll get an idea immediately after compiling >> it. I think it's clever and could pro

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/9/14 Jim Long : > On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:14:55PM +0200, Janek Warcho?? wrote: >> >> I think that we should add to LilyPond a simple, user-friendly >> interface that would allow choosing the "density" of music, so that >> one could write >> \layout { \horizontalSpacingLoose } >> and it woul

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread PMA
David Kastrup wrote: PMA writes: David Kastrup wrote: PMA writes: Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a factor of #-1

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread David Kastrup
PMA writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> PMA writes: >> >>> Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a factor of

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 14.09.2013 20:54, schrieb David Kastrup: PMA writes: Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a factor of #-1.0 would mean t

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread PMA
David Kastrup wrote: PMA writes: Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a factor of #-1.0 would mean that the glyphs are engr

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread David Kastrup
PMA writes: > Jim Long wrote: >> I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 >> means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs >> would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and >> a factor of #-1.0 would mean that the glyphs are engraved >> nor

Re: Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread PMA
Jim Long wrote: I suppose that, by extension, this means that a factor of #0.0 means the layout would have no spacing at all, and all glyphs would be engraved over the top of each other in one big blob, and a factor of #-1.0 would mean that the glyphs are engraved normally, but spaced right-to-le

Proposed horizontal spacing adjustment [was Re: film score example]

2013-09-14 Thread Jim Long
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:14:55PM +0200, Janek Warcho?? wrote: > > I think that we should add to LilyPond a simple, user-friendly > interface that would allow choosing the "density" of music, so that > one could write > \layout { \horizontalSpacingLoose } > and it would result in common-shortest-

Re: film score example

2013-09-14 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Janek (et al.), > I think that we should add to LilyPond a simple, user-friendly > interface that would allow choosing the "density" of music, so that > one could write > \layout { \horizontalSpacingLoose } > and it would result in common-shortest-duration being increased by > some factor. +1

Re: film score example

2013-09-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/9/13 Curt : > Hi all - > > About a year ago, several of you answered questions of mine about notating a > film score. I reached a stopping point with the first cue and learned a bit > more about git, so I have the first film cue from the score up on github now: > > https://github.com/t

Re: film score example

2013-09-13 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Friday, September 13, 2013 3:03 PM > Sometimes the effort is better spent simplifying the underlying concepts > and documenting the results. One hits diminuishing returns pretty fast > when trying to simplify the explanation of complex matters. > > I think when I tried start

Re: film score example

2013-09-13 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: >> Unexpectedly hard parts of creating this score (all specific to v2.16): >> >> - General spacing and staff sizes. I believe Lilypond by default >> puts everything >> too close together for music that is read by instrumentalists, >> particularly >> sight-readers. Th

Re: film score example

2013-09-13 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Curt, this seems very nice work. If you feel like sharing one or the other experience as a blog post or pdf tutorial on lilypondblog.org don't hesitate contacting me privately. As I'm working in quite different fields I don't have to say much to many of your perceptions. Just a few commen

Re: film score example

2013-09-13 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Curt, Thank you so much for doing this! As someone who dabbled in film scoring pre-Lilypond (and, in fact, before Sibelius was on anything but RISC OS), and wants to get back into it in Lilypond, this is all very interesting information. > The score was originally prepared (in Sibelius) a fe

film score example

2013-09-12 Thread Curt
Hi all - About a year ago, several of you answered questions of mine about notating a film score. I reached a stopping point with the first cue and learned a bit more about git, so I have the first film cue from the score up on github now: https://github.com/tunesmith/TheForgivingSea (pdf of