2011 22:54
> )To: James Lowe; colinpkcampbell
> )Cc: Phil Holmes; davidandrewrog...@gmail.com; Trevor Daniels; Shane
> )Brandes; Francisco Vila; lilypond-user
> )Subject: Re: engraving question - temporary voices in vocal music
> )
> )W dniu 20 lutego 2011 01:50:15 UTC+1 użytkownik J
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)From: Janek Warchoł [mailto:lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com]
)Sent: 20 February 2011 22:54
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)Brandes; Francisco Vila; lilypond-user
)Subject: Re: engraving
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "James Lowe" ; "colinpkcampbell"
Cc: "Phil Holmes" ; ;
"Trevor Daniels" ; "Shane Brandes"
; "Francisco Vila" ;
"lilypond-user"
Sent: Sunday, February 20,
W dniu 20 lutego 2011 01:50:15 UTC+1 użytkownik James Lowe
napisał:
> Hello,
>
> From: Janek Warchoł
>>
>>2011/2/19 Phil Holmes :
>>> Just to back up my "either is OK" comment, here's a little bit from
>>> Chappell's version of the Gondoliers. Personally I think this is lazy,
>>> but
>>> it's ho
2011/2/20 Phil Holmes :
> - Original Message - From: "Werner LEMBERG"
> To:
> Cc: ; ;
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: engraving question - slur across notes sung to different
> syllabes?
>
>>> Lo and behold, another
> According to my research following up your post, I think it's
> actually portamento, which is explicitly said to be a vocal
> technique indicated by slurs, as opposed to portato which is a
> string technique, and includes staccato marks.
Oops, sorry, you are right. Sorry for the sloppy wording.
- Original Message -
From: "Werner LEMBERG"
To:
Cc: ; ;
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: engraving question - slur across notes sung to different
syllabes?
Lo and behold, another example from the Gondoliers
This slur has an exact meani
"Phil Holmes" writes:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Janek Warchoł"
>
>> Maybe, i must ask the composer.
>> Should a dashed slur be used in such a case?
>
> Lo and behold, another example from the Gondoliers
That would likely be a portamento slur.
--
David Kastrup
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On 11-02-19 02:45 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
Janek
Warchoł
writes:
Thanks for all replies.
I'd use phrasing slur, however there's not much phrase to indicate with
it...
Look at the slurs marked in red in the attachment - a phrasing slur
for 2 notes?
In the first case Werner's guess may be correct
On 11-02-18 01:00 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Hi,
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split in
two. If the rhythyms differ, a polyphonic notation must be used -
that's obvious. But, what to do in the situation pictured in the
problem.png attachment? Is the notation used self-
Hello,
-Original Message-
From: Janek Warchoł
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:06:12 +0100
To: Phil Holmes , ,
Trevor Daniels , Shane Brandes
, Francisco Vila
Cc: lilypond-user
Subject: Re: engraving question - temporary voices in vocal music
>Dear all,
>
>thank you for your answers
o: "lilypond-user"
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:00 PM
> Subject: engraving question - temporary voices in vocal music
>
> Just to back up my "either is OK" comment, here's a little bit from
> Chappell's version of the Gondoliers. Personally I thi
> I'd use phrasing slur, however there's not much phrase to indicate
> with it... Look at the slurs marked in red in the attachment - a
> phrasing slur for 2 notes?
Wearing my singers' coach hat, I'd say that the slurs have two
meanings:
. They indicate a long first note and a shorter second
> Lo and behold, another example from the Gondoliers
This slur has an exact meaning: It's a portato. You can find this
kind of notation in virtually all scores from the 19th century,
including both German (e.g. Wagner) and Italian (e.g. Verdi)
composers.
Werner
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trongly
disrecommend this solution. In 45 years of working with singers, every slur
seems an invitation to scoop and any other notation is therefore redundant.
David
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- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
Maybe, i must ask the composer.
Should a dashed slur be used in such a case?
Lo and behold, another example from the Gondoliers
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2011/2/19 Reinhold Kainhofer :
> Am Samstag, 19. Februar 2011, um 16:31:36 schrieb Janek Warchoł:
>> 2011/2/19 David Kastrup :
>> > It is not unusual to have instruments double some vocal parts and the
>> > slurs might be a playing instruction for them.
>>
>> Maybe, i must ask the composer.
>> Shou
Am Samstag, 19. Februar 2011, um 16:31:36 schrieb Janek Warchoł:
> 2011/2/19 David Kastrup :
> > It is not unusual to have instruments double some vocal parts and the
> > slurs might be a playing instruction for them.
>
> Maybe, i must ask the composer.
> Should a dashed slur be used in such a cas
2011/2/19 David Kastrup :
> Janek Warchoł writes:
>
>> Thanks for all replies.
>> I'd use phrasing slur, however there's not much phrase to indicate with it...
>> Look at the slurs marked in red in the attachment - a phrasing slur
>> for 2 notes?
>> In the first case Werner's guess may be correct
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "lilypond-user"
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: engraving question - temporary voices in vocal music
Hi,
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split in
two. If the rhythyms
Janek Warchoł writes:
> Thanks for all replies.
> I'd use phrasing slur, however there's not much phrase to indicate with it...
> Look at the slurs marked in red in the attachment - a phrasing slur
> for 2 notes?
> In the first case Werner's guess may be correct (a slur would prohibit
> singers f
* Janek Warchoł [2011-02-18 21:00]:
Hi,
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split in
two. If the rhythyms differ, a polyphonic notation must be used -
that's obvious. But, what to do in the situation pictured in the
problem.png attachment? Is the notation used self-expl
Janek Warchoł wrote Friday, February 18, 2011 8:00 PM
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split
in
two. If the rhythyms differ, a polyphonic notation must be used -
that's obvious. But, what to do in the situation pictured in the
problem.png attachment? Is the notation
Janek Warchoł writes:
> Hi,
>
> In vocal music slurs usually indicate melismatas. What a slur across
> notes sung to different syllabes could mean?
> I ask because composer of a piece i'm transcribing urges me to create
> such slurs, and doing so is in my opinion contrary to common sense -
> and
I completely disagree, and strongly prefer the explicit example.
Shane
2011/2/18 Francisco Vila :
> 2011/2/18 Janek Warchoł :
>> What do you think about this?
>
> 'problem.png' is frequent and clear, often seen in quick/homemade
> scores. I speak from memory.
>
> Singers see the first note and
> In vocal music slurs usually indicate melismatas. What a slur across
> notes sung to different syllabes could mean?
Legato, as you've correctly deduced. However, it also indicates
possibilities for taking a breath. Richard Strauss uses a lot of such
slurs...
Just do what the composer is aski
Hi,
In vocal music slurs usually indicate melismatas. What a slur across
notes sung to different syllabes could mean?
I ask because composer of a piece i'm transcribing urges me to create
such slurs, and doing so is in my opinion contrary to common sense -
and contrary to engraving practice...
The
2011/2/18 Janek Warchoł :
> What do you think about this?
'problem.png' is frequent and clear, often seen in quick/homemade
scores. I speak from memory.
Singers see the first note and will sing it unless there is a rest.
This is my staff, no rest for me, I sing the note.
'explicit' is better,
- Original Message -
From: "Janek Warchoł"
To: "lilypond-user"
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: engraving question - temporary voices in vocal music
Hi,
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split in
two. If the rhythyms
Hi,
i have a SATB choral piece and occasionally some voices are split in
two. If the rhythyms differ, a polyphonic notation must be used -
that's obvious. But, what to do in the situation pictured in the
problem.png attachment? Is the notation used self-explanatory?
It's all about the first note.
- Original Message -
From: "Xavier Scheuer"
To: "Neil Puttock"
Cc: "Janek Warchoł" ; "lilypond-user"
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: engraving question - changing stem direction to avoid
levitatingslur
2011/2/
2011/2/15 Neil Puttock :
>
> You might try adding the Melody_engraver for this: it changes the
> neutral-direction based on the stem directions of surrounding notes
> (but only in the current bar, I think):
Wow, I did not know the existence of this engraver!
It is not mentioned in the doc (except
2011/2/15 Neil Puttock :
> 2011/2/15 Janek Warchoł :
>
>> Do you mean simply using \slurDown? I'd say that the result (attached)
>> is indeed a little better, but flipping bes quarter note makes it yet
>> more good-looking.
>
> You might try adding the Melody_engraver for this: it changes the
> neu
2011/2/15 Janek Warchoł :
> Do you mean simply using \slurDown? I'd say that the result (attached)
> is indeed a little better, but flipping bes quarter note makes it yet
> more good-looking.
You might try adding the Melody_engraver for this: it changes the
neutral-direction based on the stem dir
W dniu 14 lutego 2011 21:17:57 UTC+1 użytkownik Shane Brandes
napisał:
>
> Hi Janek,
>
> I looked through some scores and it does not seem to be out of
> place as is, which was also my initial reaction.
Really?
Well, for me it looks odd.
> I did notice a few
> instance were the slur lines were
Hi Janek,
I looked through some scores and it does not seem to be out of
place as is, which was also my initial reaction. I did notice a few
instance were the slur lines were engraved crossing through the stems
when they would have otherwise been too high. It is always also
possible to have th
Hi,
i have a levitating slur like in the attachment. Fixing slur is easy -
just change the direction of stems of bflat notes under it.
But the question is, should the direction of bflat notes outside the
slur be changed as well (i.e. the ones over "terrae")?
What's the common engraving practice?
Hi everyone,
I can't help but to comment on this.
For one thing, how would such an analysis as Han-Wen proposes proceed --
statistically?
>From all of my observation of European hand engraving, clefs only take up
extra horizontal spacing when it is necessary for the sake of fitting the
clef. Ot
Joe Neeman escreveu:
> On Saturday 18 August 2007 11:48, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>> 2007/8/16, Joe Neeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> I'm trying to tweak the spacing code, and I've come across a case where
>>> I'm not sure what to do. In the attached example, I have a note followed
>>> by a clef chang
On Saturday 18 August 2007 11:48, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> 2007/8/16, Joe Neeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I'm trying to tweak the spacing code, and I've come across a case where
> > I'm not sure what to do. In the attached example, I have a note followed
> > by a clef change followed by a bar line
2007/8/16, Joe Neeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm trying to tweak the spacing code, and I've come across a case where I'm
> not sure what to do. In the attached example, I have a note followed by a
> clef change followed by a bar line. Given that the clef fits in the space
> that would be there anyw
Mark Knoop wrote:
> Joe Neeman wrote:
>> I'm trying to tweak the spacing code, and I've come across a case where I'm
>> not sure what to do. In the attached example, I have a note followed by a
>> clef change followed by a bar line. Given that the clef fits in the space
>> that would be there an
I'm trying to tweak the spacing code, and I've come across a case where I'm
not sure what to do. In the attached example, I have a note followed by a
clef change followed by a bar line. Given that the clef fits in the space
that would be there anyway, should it take up extra space? Any strong
o
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