Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-02-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/01/2013 07:06 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: That would necessarily involve a diagrams for each brand/model combination ? Otherwise it would be a nightmare to control which key to show and which not. And to do it so others really can follow it we should name it accordingly, e.g.: "Selmer-Priv

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-02-01 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/01/2013 07:06 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: Ia there any rule in using Trademarks and mentioning these in the documentation? This could open up a quagmire because several models of regular clarinets also have key additions What key additions did you have in mind? For example low F vent

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-02-01 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 31 Jan 2013, at 17:48 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 01/30/2013 09:42 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: That is why the "low-bass-clarinet" stencil exists. That is (as I reverse engineer it) intended for bass-clarinet toward low-C (the concert model) whereas the "bass-clarinet" is the lo

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-31 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/30/2013 09:42 AM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: That is why the "low-bass-clarinet" stencil exists. That is (as I reverse engineer it) intended for bass-clarinet toward low-C (the concert model) whereas the "bass-clarinet" is the low-Ees (streetmodel). Well, my point is that "low-bass-clarinet"

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-30 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Hi Joseph, On 29 Jan 2013, at 23:22 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: -- more realistic key shapes and placement for the diagrams (this is a minor quibble, but nice if it can be done); -- an option to display unused as well as used keys (Wim's request); E.g. with a property '(showal

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/29/2013 10:29 PM, m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Just a note to say thank you to all those who want to make this code better. It's tough for me to take it any farther with my non-expert knowledge of woodwind instruments, but I would be glad to answer any and on questions addressed to lilypond-

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 29 janv. 2013, at 22:17, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 01/29/2013 09:50 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: 6. Lot's of models have a right-hand low-ees key (with the thumb), There is no such key. Wishlist. >>> >>> Not recent French models, in my experience, but I agree it's o

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/29/2013 10:46 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: Uhh, never too old for a challenge, as I see it the register key is also inherited, so it is one and the same definition. Can give it a try. What were you thinking about? Just a register key that looks like an actual clarinet register key, rather

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:17 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 01/29/2013 09:50 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: Since you're finding it relatively straightforward to play with the Scheme code, can I put in a feature request -- any chance of fixing the shape of the register key for clarinet/bass cl

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:29 , m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Just a note to say thank you to all those who want to make this code better. It's tough for me to take it any farther with my non-expert knowledge of woodwind instruments, but I would be glad to answer any and on questions addressed to

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/29/2013 09:50 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: 6. Lot's of models have a right-hand low-ees key (with the thumb), There is no such key. Wishlist. Not recent French models, in my experience, but I agree it's often found. The trouble is its placement is not uniform. The Selmer privilege has on

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 29 Jan 2013, at 16:06 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: For example, as I recall, Selmer bass clarinets used to have the right-hand little finger low Eb on the _upper_ rank of keys, with a low C#/Db on the lower rank. Buffet have traditionally had it the opposite way round. FYI, they ch

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-29 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/28/2013 11:54 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: Me too, but having individual control satifies everyone. Agreed. :-) The big challenge will be to find some optimum which satifies the multitude of brands and models. I've played on two brands, three models and these were all different, I checke

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/28/2013 01:54 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote: Agreed, but for a series showing e.g. a scale it would be nice to have similar diagrams, so I would like to control the behaviour myself. Personally I prefer to see all the keys when it's a visual diagram. That said, I think my preference _in gen

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-28 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Minimal example attached, in diagram 3 lots of keys are gone.On 28 Jan 2013, at 12:03 , Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:On 01/28/2013 11:34 AM, Jeffrey Trevino wrote:It should be pointed out that it's a common notational practice to hide theunused non-center keys in fingering diagrams; this behavior

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-28 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 01/28/2013 11:34 AM, Jeffrey Trevino wrote: It should be pointed out that it's a common notational practice to hide the unused non-center keys in fingering diagrams; this behavior is idiomatic. Common, but not ubiquitous or standard, I'd say. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Eluze wrote: p

Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-28 Thread Jeffrey Trevino
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Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-28 Thread Eluze
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Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

2013-01-27 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Hi, I'm trying to get some prints with the woodwind fingering diagrams on it. When I use the basic diagram, all defined keys show up, but as soon as I enter one hole to be used some of the keyholes (not of the central one to six holes, but especially on the side keys) disappear from the d