Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-11-01 Thread Robin Bannister
Hallo. Me again, this time with a navbar suggestion. The first time I saw the navbar it seemed rather indigestible - so much text to read. But I did understand that the square brackets were indicating buttons. The second time was after visiting help, where I came to see that, for me at any

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-31 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: >> >> I would greatly appreciate any feedback on the new color choices. > > > My quoted "Yes please" was to "Blue in Green" which really shouted at you. Oops. I meant to just quote myself. :-) >

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-31 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/10/31 Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-index.html >> >> I would greatly appreciate any feedback on the new color choices. > > I like it very much; maybe th

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-31 Thread Robin Bannister
Patrick McCarty wrote: I would greatly appreciate any feedback on the new color choices. My quoted "Yes please" was to "Blue in Green" which really shouted at you. This one is a lot more restrained but just as easy to read. OK, the tocpane is not unified with the navbar in any way, but I

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-31 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/10/31 Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypond-index.html > > I would greatly appreciate any feedback on the new color choices. I like it very much; maybe the links would look better in a more green-ish tone (but still not too green-ish, otherwis

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-31 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:33 AM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: >> >> I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web >> Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast > > Yes, yes, yes! Thank you very much. At last I feel the web

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-28 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: No! After all, you are already reading the documentation, so a link to "Documentation" simply does not make sense. I was visiting LM 4.6.1 this morning, reading about tweaking output, and I wondered afterwards if, while there, I could have argued that a link to "Tw

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-28 Thread John Mandereau
On 2008/10/26 01:41 +0200, Robin Bannister wrote: > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > How about "Overview" instead of "Index"? > > A better choice! > And I counter with "Documentation Home". > > But a second word is overkill. I'd like "Up to" proposed by Francisco, and "documentation home" i

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: How about "Overview" instead of "Index"? A better choice! And I counter with "Documentation Home". But a second word is overkill. Cheers, Robin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gn

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: unless someone can come up with something better than "<<", which also indicates a navigational element But *you* did, some time ago! [Top][Contents][Index][ ? ] All you need is the above. See it at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-10

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 25. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > This is currently displayed as ><< Back to Documentation Index > > _a___ > I suppose the "<<" is echoing the "<<" in the navbar. > There, it means up and along, > i.e to the preceding position

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 25. Oktober 2008 schrieb Francisco Vila: > 2008/10/25 Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Some usability comments, please, before this gets translated. > > ... > > > I suggest removing "<<", "Back to" and "Index". "Documentation" is >

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Francisco Vila
2008/10/25 Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Some usability comments, please, before this gets translated. ... > I suggest removing "<<", "Back to" and "Index". "Documentation" is probably > sufficient. After all, when you arrive at the page, this is all the title > says. Yes. Another (verbos

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-25 Thread Robin Bannister
Francisco Vila wrote [Re: translated big pages]: Additionally, would it be possible to internationalize the "Back To Documentation Index" link? Some usability comments, please, before this gets translated. This is currently displayed as << Back to Documentation Index _a___ I suppos

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-18 Thread Robin Bannister
Some thoughts on searching. Valentin Villenave wrote: the search function should show the results in the main "frame" on the right, without making the tocframe disappear The toc pane and the main pane are a coherent unit. The user refers to the toc to see e.g. - what part of the document

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-17 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
Hello all, Just a side note... I noticed that when I browse a full page document it takes quite a long time for context menus (right click) to appear. I usually use that feature to get back to the previous view. When the context menu appears the horizontal and vertical scroll bars for the whole p

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-14 Thread Patrick Horgan
Patrick McCarty wrote: I'm still experimenting with this. :-) I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: This is great for me! Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing

Re: Style picker, cookies, etc. (was: WANTED: Design for documentation ...)

2008-10-13 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am Montag, 13. Oktober 2008 schrieb Kurt Kroon: >> On 2008/10/11 1:00 PM, "Patrick McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > It sounds like you know how to implement this. Would you be willing >> > to work on it

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation

2008-10-13 Thread Eluze
I like the arrangement of the toc on the left side - but I wonder if it is be possible to hide/unhide/resize it when needed!? thanks! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/WANTED%3A-Design-for-documentation-tp18572050p19956430.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing li

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Bannister
It's fine having the language bar down at the bottom of a docs page. But in the bigpage case you've probably done a lot of reading before you reach it, and wish you had seen it earlier. So I suggest something like bighead.png: I Put an additional language bar at the top of bigpages. Che

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-11 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hi Kurt, On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Separate versions are not necessary: just offer the user an option to set > the preference in a persistent cookie, which the server creates and sends > back to the client. Then, the next time the server reads it,

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-11 Thread Kurt Kroon
On 2008/10/07 4:41 PM, "Alexander Kobel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A List Apart explains how to implement this with cookies, but we would >> rather not use JavaScript: Cookies != JavaScript True, it's very easy to fiddle with them if you're using JavaScript, but they started as a server-side

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-10 Thread Robin Bannister
Patrick McCarty wrote: I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast Yes, yes, yes! Thank you very much. At last I feel the web designer was more concerned about making it easy to read rather than easy to look at

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-10 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/10/10 Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The blue links are very close to pure blue (#00F), which is a little > bit intense, but there aren't very many blues that pass the > guidelines. What does everyone think about this? Are there any > colors from this design that you like more than

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-09 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Hawryluk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For such a link-heavy document, #1a1aaa should still meet the spirit > of the w3 guidelines without making the links leap off the page to > such an extent. What do you think? This color is definitely better. Thanks. O

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-09 Thread Brett Duncan
Patrick McCarty wrote: I'm still experimenting with this. :-) I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/start-alt-alt.html http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/lilypon

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-09 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've created another design with a color palette that passes the W3C > Web Content Accessibility guidelines for color contrast: > > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/texi2html/start-alt-alt.html > http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/t

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-09 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: > >> What do you think? > > Yes, well the smoke has thinned a little. > Look, when this thread started I thought I might keep an eye on what > happened to the navigation, but I would keep well away f

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-08 Thread Robin Bannister
Patrick McCarty wrote: I agree with yours and Reinhold's idea to remove underlining and visited link colors in the TOC pane. Should the same apply to the main doc pane? NAV BAR What I said about TOC scanning doesn't apply here; there is no list. There are probably two main sorts of usage

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-08 Thread Robin Bannister
Me answering Rheinhold: > The pale yellow/light brown would make the navbars almost invisible on TFT > screens, so I think the current state is much better. ... So what/where is the current state? Sorry, I got mixed up; I thought this meant the navbars would disappear. But now I think it mea

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-08 Thread Brett Duncan
Alexander Kobel wrote: A List Apart explains how to implement this with cookies, but we would rather not use JavaScript: And yes, I'm against JavaScript, too. This doesn't count as a real client-side solution from my point of view. ?? What is the objection to JavaScript? And why do you not reg

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought about the different pros and cons of the colors, but I think the > pros far outweight the cons. The pros are in particular: > - -) You see which sections you have already visited, so you can either go to >

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2008 schrieb Alexander Kobel: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> "Patrick" == Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> > >>> also offer a safe-and-sound version, and have this > >>> "ugly-but-efficient" narrow-TOC solu

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
> A List Apart explains how to implement this with cookies, but we would > rather not use JavaScript: And yes, I'm against JavaScript, too. This doesn't count as a real client-side solution from my point of view. Simplest solution, server-sided, efficient and secure, but clearly not nice: Keep a v

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
Patrick McCarty wrote: >> Besides, I'm not completely sure if this idea can be easily added, since >> you use the absolute positioning and do not really apply a width, but >> set the margins s.t. the width constraints follow; correct? > > I was having trouble implementing a solution that works in

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> "Patrick" == Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> also offer a safe-and-sound version, and have this >>> "ugly-but-efficient" narrow-TOC solution as a "large screen >>> optimized version"? > > Patrick> Good idea. I'll start experimenting with this. >

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Alexander Kobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: >> >> Hmm. I didn't consider the {min,max}-width rules. I think using a >> max-width for the TOC pane would be more appropriate though. > > Yup, true. > > Besides, I'm not completely sure if this i

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
Patrick McCarty wrote: >> I just looked at the manual at different sizes, and I agree that we >> should not decrease the size of the navigation bar too far - it makes >> things too worse for smaller screens. >> But, couldn't we try a minimum-width in absolute values, say 240px (or >> about 16em, to

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread lily . user
> "Patrick" == Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> also offer a safe-and-sound version, and have this >> "ugly-but-efficient" narrow-TOC solution as a "large screen >> optimized version"? Patrick> Good idea. I'll start experimenting with this. Please make sure it still works on

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kurt Kroon wrote: > >> the CSS "quasi-frames" already provide the affordance of a fixed >> navigation frame, so it isn't necessary to make their backgrounds >> "matchy-matchy". > > I don't understand which background areas

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Alexander Kobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sebastian Menge wrote: >> Am Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:47:56 +0200 >> schrieb Alexander Kobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the >>> navigation sidebar? On my 13" MacBook (

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: >> >> This is always a good argument (similar things should look similar), >> however, I think in our case we can afford to use a "nicer" color in the >> sidebar, since it is already spacially sep

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-07 Thread Alexander Kobel
Sebastian Menge wrote: > [...] >> For the long lines: I heard this stuff - 40 to 80 characters, best >> between 50 and 60, serifs (although not on the screen, depending on >> whom you ask), microtypographically fitted hyphens and dots at the > > Just looked up a research article on this. I dont un

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Alexander Kobel
Sebastian Menge wrote: > Am Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:47:56 +0200 > schrieb Alexander Kobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the >> navigation sidebar? On my 13" MacBook (1280x800), there is /plenty/ of >> space wasted [...] but I guess I'd prefer a li

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: This is always a good argument (similar things should look similar), however, I think in our case we can afford to use a "nicer" color in the sidebar, since it is already spacially separated from the contents (by having its own column on the left). I would turn this

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > In fact, I think the TOC has too many sorts of indications at the moment. > > Unlike the main pane, it is not for normal reading, but for scanning: > eyewise, you zoom out a bit and apply a sort o

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Robin Bannister
Kurt Kroon wrote: the CSS "quasi-frames" already provide the affordance of a fixed navigation frame, so it isn't necessary to make their backgrounds "matchy-matchy". I don't understand which background areas you are referring to. By "navigation bars" I was referring to the horizontal stripes

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > > - -) On the NEWS page the title is not shown in the green (there's also > > no navbar, but that's a texi2html issue, but then, a navbar is not needed > > anyway...) > > That's really strange.  A

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > Thanks! That's not a problem. It looks like the init file might need > a slight adjustment though, because the structural changes didn't > affect these pages: > > http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/in

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hi Reinhold, On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've added class="toc_uplink" to the element (and adjustes the .css > accordingly), so I'm not restricted from using other elements in the toc > frame. > >> These pages also include my latest styleshee

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Patrick McCarty wrote: > >> Can you clarify what you mean by the latest styling hiding this feature? > > > > Well, at

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb John Mandereau: > Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 à 22:18 +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer a écrit : > > Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > > > Without the prefix the title is then just e.g. "Learning Manual",

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2008 schrieb Mark Polesky: > > > However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the > > > navigation sidebar? > > > > ...One option (and my preferred) is to fix the width of the html and > > center the whole thing... >

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Mark Polesky
> > However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the > > navigation sidebar? > > ...One option (and my preferred) is to fix the width of the html and > center the whole thing... Or allowing the user to move the separator left and right with the mouse. - Mark __

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-06 Thread Sebastian Menge
Am Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:47:56 +0200 schrieb Alexander Kobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > However, one suggestion: Have you talked about the size of the > navigation sidebar? On my 13" MacBook (1280x800), there is /plenty/ of > space wasted (default font settings in Firefox 3, haven't changed > anything).

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-05 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2008 schrieb Kurt Kroon: > On 2008/10/04 7:11 PM, "Robin Bannister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Patrick McCarty wrote: > >> What do you think? > > > > Well, I'm honoured. > > And you are very quick off the mark. > > In fact, y

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-05 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Patrick McCarty wrote: > >> Can you clarify what you mean by the latest styling hiding this feature? > > > > Well, at

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Robin Bannister
Patrick McCarty wrote: Okay, see if this design looks better: ... What do you think? Well, I ought to be asleep. But that hasn't worked out too well yet. I realised I had messed up my last two posts (png uncompressed) and got back online to patch things up a bit. What do you think? We

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: so basically, you want ... a link to the back to the documentation index No, I didn't mean that. That is in your TODO, and not at all urgent for regular users. Robin Bannister wrote: This is because I regard B as just another entry in the TOC. The TOC does not ne

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick McCarty wrote: >> >> Can you clarify what you mean by the latest styling hiding this feature? > > Well, at the moment it is on a darkish grey background. I find it quite an > effort reading on this background; it a

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 04 octobre 2008 à 22:18 +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer a écrit : > Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > > Without the prefix the title is then just e.g. "Learning Manual", which > > corresponds to what you see in the documentation overview. > > Yes, but that was the only str

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > > > So I propose > > > > > > A > > > Replace the (passive) text "Table of Contents" in the TOC panel, > > > wi

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Patrick McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) The title link should be bold-faced like the rest of the TOC. For 1) I meant: "...should be bold-faced like the rest of the breadcrumbs in the TOC." Thanks, Patrick __

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hi Robin, On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Robin Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > B >> > Make this document title [A] be like a breadcrumb at the document level >> > i.e. it is a link to the start of the document. >> >> Also done. > > Maybe you consider this superfluous, but by "breadcrumb

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-04 Thread Robin Bannister
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Robin Bannister: > So I propose > > A > Replace the (passive) text "Table of Contents" in the TOC panel, > with the document title, e.g. "Learning Manual". > This nearly always visible (on biggish screens). > (And when offscreen, nea

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-02 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hi Kurt, On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And while I'm thinking about it, you could deal with the line-height issue > by setting it to 1.125, without any units. > > ( > See Eric Meyer's excellent article about this issue: > http://meyerweb.com/eric/thought

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 02.10.2008 (07:18), Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > Not only is texinfo the worst beast I've ever worked > > with, > > You are exaggerating. The LaTeX kernel stuff is worse IMHO. bibtex also comes to mind. But luckily, I've never had to work in any of those directly. Eyolf -- "Why are we impo

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > Mhmm. texinfo.tex is quite complex. Nothing for the > > fainthearted. > > Not only is texinfo the worst beast I've ever worked > with, You are exaggerating. The LaTeX kernel stuff is worse IMHO. > it's badly documented too, at least once one moves past the basics It's getting better. U

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick Horgan
Kurt Kroon wrote: And while I'm thinking about it, you could deal with the line-height issue by setting it to 1.125, without any units. Thanks! I'd read the section on this in the spec, (and just re-read it), and it doesn't point out how much better it is for inheritance, and I didn't get i

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Kurt Kroon
On 2008/10/01 8:30 AM, "Patrick McCarty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -1, but I've got mad enough skillz to make a user style sheet. That way, I >> can make it look however I please. >> >> I have attached my current u

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Patrick, if you add a line-height: 1.125em; to the .settitle section it > fixes the strange overlap on small windows. The one it inherits from the > body section uses a different em, and although you specify it in ems, it'

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 01.10.2008 (21:24), Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > The only possibility to customize the look of the PDF is to modify > > > texinfo.tex. > > > > Ah, I see. Well, there *is* good news for Eyolf: any modifications > > he makes can be added to the official docs instantly. > > Mhmm. texinfo.tex is

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > The only possibility to customize the look of the PDF is to modify > > texinfo.tex. > > Ah, I see. Well, there *is* good news for Eyolf: any modifications > he makes can be added to the official docs instantly. Mhmm. texinfo.tex is quite complex. Nothing for the fainthearted. Werner

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the built-in customization doesn't do what you want, then your > > only option is to hack texi2pdf directly. That involves C > > programming, > > Not at all. texi2pdf is a simple wrapper for the texi2dvi

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Take a look at texinfo's texi2pdf. That's how we build it; the > program converts texinfo to tex (or maybe latex; I can't > remember), and from that to pdf. No, the document gets directly processed by tex. > If the built-in customization doesn't do what you want, then your > only option is to

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> But what about the pdf version? I suggest to ignore it for the time being. It hurts myself, but there are so many things necessary to fix so that it becomes a well looking document. > I guess, sine it's so much raw tex, changing it may be more > troublesome (at least the attempts I made fai

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:06:53 +0200 Eyolf __strem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But what about the pdf version? I guess, sine it's so much raw tex, Take a look at texinfo's texi2pdf. That's how we build it; the program converts texinfo to tex (or maybe latex; I can't remember), and from that to pdf

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Eyolf Østrem
The recent changes to the html/css are really a significant improvement to the web-based documentation. Kudos to all! But what about the pdf version? I guess, sine it's so much raw tex, changing it may be more troublesome (at least the attempts I made failed), but it would really be good, either

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb Kurt Kroon: > I have attached my current user style sheet, to be applied in lieu of > Patrick's styles (in case anyone's interested). I've now added your CSS as another alternative style sheet so that everyone can have a look at it and judge the different styl

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/9/30 Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb Neil Puttock: >> I don't know whether it's something that's broken at my end (I've been >> getting some weird docs breakages recently), but I've just compiled

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick Horgan
Patrick McCarty wrote: I like your stylesheet, in general. But I think some of the font sizes you are using will render parts of the documentation illegible on certain platforms (such as in the TOC). I like your choice of color especially. I know that most of this is personal, but I looked a

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick Horgan
Patrick, if you add a line-height: 1.125em; to the .settitle section it fixes the strange overlap on small windows.  The one it inherits from the body section uses a different em, and although you specify it in ems, it's inherited in pixels.  Or in CSS speak, you don't inherit the specified val

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Kurt Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -1, but I've got mad enough skillz to make a user style sheet. That way, I > can make it look however I please. > > I have attached my current user style sheet, to be applied in lieu of > Patrick's styles (in case anyone's

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Kurt Kroon
On 2008/09/30 3:45 PM, "Reinhold Kainhofer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb John Mandereau: >> On 2008/09/30 14:04 -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote: >>> Well done:) I still prefer Patrick's style and wish it were th

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-10-01 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't know whether it's something that's broken at my end (I've been > getting some weird docs breakages recently), but I've just compiled > following your latest changes and the navigation's disappeared. Strange... The

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick Horgan
Patrick McCarty wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well done:) I still prefer Patrick's style and wish it were the default. I also wish that Patrick's style affected the sidebar contents. Hi Patrick, What do you mean by t

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick Horgan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the front page, in Opera on Linux, the word `Reference' overlaps the previous line: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/index.html Are you specifying an interline spacing, rather than using the natural one for the font? Peter C When th

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick Horgan
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Huh, I don't quite understand what you mean with the last sentence... What should be changed in the sidebar? I like the white background on the main page, the contrast is low on the sidebar. I think it would be much better with a white background as well. Patrick

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmm, Does anyone have an idea how to properly format the language selection, > so that it can be moved into the footer and still be clearly visible, so > people don't overlook it? I'll try something different for th

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Patrick Horgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well done:) I still prefer Patrick's style and wish it were the default. I > also wish that Patrick's style affected the sidebar contents. Hi Patrick, What do you mean by the "sidebar contents"? Thanks in advance, -

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've now turned the current default stylesheet into a preferred stylesheet, so > its settings won't have an effect on the alternative CSS. Does it now work as > you expect? It works great! Thanks, Patrick ___

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am Donnerstag, 18. September 2008 schrieb Patrick McCarty: >> My main focus with this design is cross-browser and cross-platform >> compatibility. Since the default

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread lily . user
On the front page, in Opera on Linux, the word `Reference' overlaps the previous line: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/index.html Are you specifying an interline spacing, rather than using the natural one for the font? Peter C

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb Neil Puttock: > I don't know whether it's something that's broken at my end (I've been > getting some weird docs breakages recently), but I've just compiled > following your latest changes and the navigation's disap

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 schrieb John Mandereau: > On 2008/09/30 14:04 -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote: > > Well done:) I still prefer Patrick's style and wish it were the > > default. > > +1 Okay, it seems we are the majority ;-) I've now switched t

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread John Mandereau
On 2008/09/30 14:04 -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote: > Well done:) I still prefer Patrick's style and wish it were the > default. +1 John ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Neil Puttock
Hi Reinhold, I don't know whether it's something that's broken at my end (I've been getting some weird docs breakages recently), but I've just compiled following your latest changes and the navigation's disappeared. One other thing I wanted to mention (I apologize if it's already been discussed;

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 30. September 2008 schrieb Patrick Horgan: > Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/index.html > > > > In particular, look at that page with both the current default and > > Patrick's alter

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb Valentin Villenave: > Hi Reinhold, hi everybody, > > I find the new documentation layout very impressive, but there's one > feature I'm still missing: the integrated search function! > > In the attached html page I

Re: WANTED: Design for documentation (Photoshop power users!)

2008-09-30 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 22. September 2008 schrieb John Mandereau: > On 2008/09/17, Reinhold Jainhofer wrote: > > On Sunday 14 September 2008 21:50:36 Patrick McCarty wrote: > > > I agree that the language selection should be included in the footer, > > > but I'm n

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