Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-24 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op 20-03-13 15:54, James Harkins schreef: The proposal is: - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time - New: R2 ==*two* full measure rests in any time signature I don't like it, because the real duration is not visible anymore, because it depends on some hidden information that is only av

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-23 Thread Olivier Biot
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:54 PM, James Harkins wrote: > My opinion (as a somewhat-more-than-casual Lilypond user, and as a > contributor to another music software package [SuperCollider]): Any > change in syntax that will break prior usage should be considered > very, very carefully to be sure th

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Janek WarchoĊ‚
[snip long discussion] hi people, I'd love to be able to write R*4 to get 4 full measure rests without having to think about time signature. This would be very convenient. Therefore i'm sorry to hear that such a feature is likely impossible to implement properly (if David says so, there's a good

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Keith OHara
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > Now look at the output of > music = { \time 4/4 a1 a1 a1 a1 } > \new Staff << \music \\ { f1 \time 12/4 f1 f1 f1 } >> > which is a perfectly valid though slightly capricious LilyPond file. That is how I join parts together with time changes, and I didn't thin

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi all, > >> If it is entered into the tracker, I strongly suggest adding a link to >> my mail with the LilyPond example for a startling bar count. It might >> keep people from wasting unnecessary time due to underestimating the >> problem. > > +1 > That example certai

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > If it is entered into the tracker, I strongly suggest adding a link to > my mail with the LilyPond example for a startling bar count. It might > keep people from wasting unnecessary time due to underestimating the > problem. +1 That example certainly pointed out a significant hurdle to

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > [Snip possibly final comments.] > > I've read all the emails on this, and personally agree that R*5 for 5 > FMRs of whatever time sig would be a step forward. Whether this is > easy or difficult to implement is irrelevant to the way we handle > enhancement requests. > > K

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Phil Holmes
[Snip possibly final comments.] I've read all the emails on this, and personally agree that R*5 for 5 FMRs of whatever time sig would be a step forward. Whether this is easy or difficult to implement is irrelevant to the way we handle enhancement requests. Kieren - suggest you send an enhan

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> See page 3, at the bottom, for two, three, and >> four measure rests. (I'm obliged to cite and give >> credit for the scans.} How can these be implemented >> without R2, R3, and R4? > > Assuming that staff is in 4/4 time (there is no time signature > cur

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Noeck
Am 20.03.2013 19:11, schrieb David Raleigh Arnold: > A way of indicating the number of > measures rested by a number in the score > should of course remain, but R2, R3, and > R4 should be implemented as shown on page 3. That is perfectly possible right now (and for a very long time): R1*2 R1*3 R

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > See page 3, at the bottom, for two, three, and > four measure rests. (I'm obliged to cite and give > credit for the scans.} How can these be implemented > without R2, R3, and R4? Assuming that staff is in 4/4 time (there is no time signature currently), then R1*2, R1*3, and R1*4 sho

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 22:54 +0800, James Harkins wrote: > I apologize for weighing in on the R shorthand thread by sending a new > message. I read the digest and normally reply to messages by gmane. > However, for some unknown reason, "R shorthand" seems to be missing > entirely from gmane. It exis

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 20 Mar 2013, at 17:03 , Nick Baskin wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: Hi James, All good points! > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) +1 Regards, Wim.

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Nick, > I'm not sure this would work, actually. If I understand correctly, R > currently behaves like any other LilyPond music event when it comes to > duration, i.e. unless otherwise specified, it takes the value of the > preceding note/rest. So if you had something like > > \time 2/4 > R2

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Baskin writes: > I'm not sure this would work, actually. If I understand correctly, R > currently behaves like any other LilyPond music event when it comes to > duration, i.e. unless otherwise specified, it takes the value of the > preceding note/rest. So if you had something like > > \time

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Nick Baskin
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi James, > > All good points! > > > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) > > Love it. > > Cheers, > Kieren. > >

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, All good points! > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) Love it. Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2013 16:25, schrieb James Harkins: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like tacet al

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread James Harkins
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time >> - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature > > Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like > > tacet al >|---

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time > - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like tacet al |--| > That breaks backward compatibility. convert-ly is your fr

User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread James Harkins
I apologize for weighing in on the R shorthand thread by sending a new message. I read the digest and normally reply to messages by gmane. However, for some unknown reason, "R shorthand" seems to be missing entirely from gmane. It exists in the archives on lists.gnu.org. My opinion (as a somewhat-