Improved user interface doesn't just mean GUI.
It can also mean things like simplifying the syntax to
make lilypond files more readible and usable, better
package structures, something better than templates -
style files etc. I'm talking about something analogous
to the jump from TeX to LaTeX.
Am 06/01/2007 um 22:14 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
I totally agree: if Lilypond is to "catch on in a large way" (with
the less-geeky public), then the UI has to be vastly improved.
I certainly don't feel the need of a graphic interface. I have
recently seen several composers happily pushing
Hi, Linda (et al.):
I would greatly encourage the project to focus on the user interface
and the user experience if this is to catch on in a large way.
I totally agree: if Lilypond is to "catch on in a large way" (with
the less-geeky public), then the UI has to be vastly improved.
However,
h as Notepad and Word on Windows, with everything bug free, is more
> important than more and more detailed features, which can be added later.
>
> Every 10 minues spent system administrating and installing things is 10
> minutes that real work doesn't get accomplished.
>
&
Perhaps something like a tkinter little gui with some useful options to
control output format (pdf,ps), a field for input file and a __link to
the documentation__ ? (and an OK button, of course ;-)
Not a gui to control every aspects of lilypond output, but a window
which give to the first-time user
ts in the
coming months.
/Mats
Linda Seltzer wrote:
User Experience engineering does not require a GUI or an abandonment
of the
programming and typesetting approach. It does not require the
abandonment
of providing detailed features. What it requires is that the language
and documentation
Ian Hawthorn writes:
> The biggest improvement to initial usability on the windows platform
> would be quite simple. If lilypond is invoked without arguments (i.e.
> by clicking the icon on the desktop) do something ... anything ... at
> minimum display some documentation as to usage. Else ...
>
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
terms of major usability thresholds, if you focus too much
on installation issues. Note also that the Windows installers
didn't exist half a year ago, whereas the program has existed
for almost 10 years, so I expect major improvements in the
coming months.
I don't, at leas
I see, didnt noticed that eariler.
Installers could detect if any JRE is available, then download/install them if
needed. (commerial installers like http://www.advancedinstaller.com/ or
http://www.denova.com/ does that), if not make a notice to download it from
sun's page.
As for whether inst
The biggest improvement to initial usability on the windows platform
would be quite simple. If lilypond is invoked without arguments (i.e.
by clicking the icon on the desktop) do something ... anything ... at
minimum display some documentation as to usage. Else ...
... hmmm ... lilypond looks
a Seltzer wrote:
User Experience engineering does not require a GUI or an abandonment of the
programming and typesetting approach. It does not require the abandonment
of providing detailed features. What it requires is that the language
and documentation are clear and that functionality doesn
> As for free open source installers, maybe IzPack Java Software
> http://www.izforge.com/ could be used,.
-- begin quote from website --
IzPack is an installers generator for the Java platform. It produces
lightweight installers that can be run on any operating system
_where a Java virtual mach
I'm not sure if Sun Java licensing allows include JRE 1.5, but creating
a windows installer with nsis or java installer with something else is
an easy task, so contributions are very welcome.
Bert
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>> AFAIK, no java environment ships with windows, so if you want it to work
>> out-of-the-box, then, yes you would need to include java in the download.
There used to be a Microsoft JVM, but that's history.
>
>There does (or did?) but outdated and stripped (enough that some java
>applets work...
I'm using Win XP. I
use 'Notepad++' editor which is more versatile than 'Notepad' and seems
ideal for editing Lilypond programs.
Regards to you all,
Alan
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> AFAIK, no java environment ships with windows, so if you want it to work
> out-of-the-box, then, yes you would need to include java in the download.
There does (or did?) but outdated and stripped (enough that some java
applets work... But the Java tree component wasn't included some years
ago..
Computers really aren't making the world paperless. (Unless we are in Matrix)
I wont underestimate the importance of paper (I even enjoy folding paper
aeroplanes, at one extend I was fired from my secondary school choir for "not
respecting the composers" when I used some scores to fold an airplan
Perhaps only providing one installer installing lilypond and jedit +
lily4jedit,
good idea, and add java-sun for windows in the package. :-)
Personally I use Scite http://www.scintilla.org
but you must read some help and configure manually the options.
For windows user (after installing Lil
Citerar Marc Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Perhaps only providing one installer installing lilypond and jedit +
> lily4jedit, perhaps with the default settings to show the error list
> pluigin docked at the bottom or the like would have saved those 10 min
> "administration time" ... in case it work
Citerar Marc Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Perhaps only providing one installer installing lilypond and jedit +
> lily4jedit, perhaps with the default settings to show the error list
> pluigin docked at the bottom or the like would have saved those 10 min
> "administration time" ... in case it work
Hi @ll!
I've read the whole thread about this topic.. I wonder why you are just
talking about gui..?
Linda hasen't mentionied this anywhere in her original post (?)
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:54:48PM -0500, Linda Seltzer wrote:
[..]
> A smooth user interface employing the standard already-debugge
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:14:18 -0500, D Josiah Boothby
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Joshua Koo wrote:
I have no say in Lilypond development, but I do have similar thoughts I
would like to share (well as maybe a more bias windows user).
It seems to me that part of the issue t
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Joshua Koo wrote:
I have no say in Lilypond development, but I do have similar thoughts I
would like to share (well as maybe a more bias windows user).
It seems to me that part of the issue that's at play in this thread is a
matter of porting software from a Unix-based envi
enemo, noteedit, rosegarden, harmony assistance..), and
issnt that the unix philosophy?
Joshua
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>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:54:48 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Linda Seltzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: User Experience Engineering
>To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Mess
Citerar Linda Seltzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I would greatly encourage the project to focus on the user interface and
> the user experience if this is to catch on in a large way.
>
> Having to install separate editors (and who knows what bugs that will
> bring and what other mailing lists one will
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On 6 Jan 2006, at 10:57 am, fiëé visuëlle wrote:
There's already LilyPad for MacOS X
(http://edbaskerville.com/software/lilypad/), LilyPond's own simple
GUI (at least on MacOS X) and jEdit's LilyPond mode
(http://lily4jedit.sourceforge.net/).
An
Am 2006-01-06 um 09:43 schrieb Riccardo Cohen:
A question about that : is it possible to make a program that links
with lilypond ? , in that case, it it quite easy for me to make a
GUI with an editor, a "build" button and a pdf launcher (on
mac&win&linux with wxWidgets).
I do not like to l
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On 5 Jan 2006, at 9:31 pm, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
Keep in mind that every 10 minutes we save you on doing system
administration, typically takes us 8 hours of debugging, fiddling with
cross-compilers and testing. Add to that that Windows by far
Riccardo Cohen wrote:
A question about that : is it possible to make a program that links
with lilypond ? , in that case, it it quite easy for me to make a GUI
with an editor, a "build" button and a pdf launcher (on mac&win&linux
with wxWidgets).
I do not like to launch external programs, but
he standard already-debugged platforms,
such as Notepad and Word on Windows, with everything bug free, is more
important than more and more detailed features, which can be added later.
Every 10 minues spent system administrating and installing things is 10
minutes that real work doesn't g
As a regular user of Sibelius and Lilypond I can safely say that Lilypond
tends to come out on top.
Sibelius while a very beautiful and attractive program GUI wise, it is let
down by this very fact! (same as Finale). Sibelius cannot make adjustments
on the fly as each note or lyric is inputted. Si
Another one...
My Mac used to run Linux PPC and MacOS Classic parallely (MoL) until
finally MacOS X came out.
I just *need* the features of some Unix (tools, shell etc.) plus the
features of a nice GUI.
I studied typesetter and I do most of my layout work with InDesign,
because it's best
> such as Notepad and Word on Windows, with everything bug free,
hmm...
lilypond + MS Word?
file.ly.doc?
Basic instead of Scheme?
strange... 8-/
/ak/
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Dear Linda,
I whole-heartedly agree with your comments about user experience being very
important to adoption of any user-oriented computing product.
One problem with GUIs is that they MUST be tailored to the way the user wants
to, or needs to be trained to, work. Thus, the challenge becomes p
On 5-Jan-2006, at 12:54 PM, Linda Seltzer wrote:
A smooth user interface employing the standard already-debugged
platforms,
such as Notepad and Word on Windows, with everything bug free, is more
important than more and more detailed features, which can be added
later.
A smooth user interf
ures, which can be added later.
Every 10 minues spent system administrating and installing things is 10
minutes that real work doesn't get accomplished.
User experience engineering is just as important as other areas of
software development.
Sincerely,
Lind
sistencies and untraceable errors.
Every 10 minues spent system administrating and installing things is 10
minutes that real work doesn't get accomplished.
> User experience engineering is just as important as other areas of
> software development.
Keep in mind that every 10 minutes we
ows, with everything bug free, is more
> important than more and more detailed features, which can be added later.
>
> Every 10 minues spent system administrating and installing things is 10
> minutes that real work doesn't get accomplished.
>
> User experience engin
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