Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-17 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bart Kummel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi List, I just read this very interesting discussion. I don't think this is a problem that will easily be solved. In fact, this is not a Lilypond- or even music notation-specific problem. Similar cases exist for all other

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-17 Thread Bart Kummel
Hi List, I just read this very interesting discussion. I don't think this is a problem that will easily be solved. In fact, this is not a Lilypond- or even music notation-specific problem. Similar cases exist for all other file formats. (For example: how future proof is Microsoft's .doc format?)

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/4/12, Stuart Pullinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: In conclusion: SVG provide an alternative to PDF which may be more future-proof provided that you are prepared for patchy support in current browsers. ...and provided that multi-pages SVG support is not yet really available, which makes it rathe

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-12 Thread Stuart Pullinger
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:40:01 -0400 "Jason Merrill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far, the best option was suggested by Tom: a tool called PDFtoMusic > Pro that converts PDF scores into MusicXML. The pros are that it is > available right now, and that it presumably works. Downsides are that > it

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-11 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:29:28PM -0400, Jason Merrill wrote: (snip) > >There is not now, nor ever will be, some universal music language. > >MusicXML is an option, but not one everybody will choose. One could ask > >the exact same question by replacing 'lilypond' with 'MusicXML'. The > >issue

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-10 Thread Simon Dahlbacka
On 4/10/07, Anthony W. Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> musicXML -> lilypond is currently done as a python script; python >>is a very nice language and is quite easy to learn. > >Why is it not in XSLT? >Even if t

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-10 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes musicXML -> lilypond is currently done as a python script; python is a very nice language and is quite easy to learn. Why is it not in XSLT? Even if the performance is worse, it would seem to make more sense from an

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-10 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, all: Long answer: we would welcome any patches and developers interested in building *and maintaining* musicXML output (and input). I'm happy to work on MusicXML stuff when I'm available... that just doesn't happen to be very often, given my commission schedule. =\ a much better solu

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Graham Percival
David Rogers wrote: Once you ask "But which software might be slightly better to have in the future?", nobody can give a good answer, because too many assumptions are required. All of the software choices carry huge risks, when you compare them to keeping a physical human-readable archive. I ag

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread David Rogers
On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:40:01 -0400, Jason Merrill wrote: > Thanks for the interesting comments so far. I want to refocus the > discussion slightly. I didn't mean to get into a discussion about the > relative merits of lilypond as an entry tool, exactly, so take as a > temporary supposition that I

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Graham Percival
Jason Merrill wrote: You can turn anything else into lilypond via MusicXML, but once you've worked on it in lilypond, there's no obvious way to get it back into a different editable format. See "to-xml.ly" and "song-*.ly" in the regression tests. Luckily, this problem could be entirely addre

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Aaron Dalton
Jason Merrill wrote: >> There is not now, nor ever will be, some universal music language. >> MusicXML is an option, but not one everybody will choose. One could ask >> the exact same question by replacing 'lilypond' with 'MusicXML'. The >> issue with archival (it seems to me) is a format whose s

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Jason Merrill
There is not now, nor ever will be, some universal music language. MusicXML is an option, but not one everybody will choose. One could ask the exact same question by replacing 'lilypond' with 'MusicXML'. The issue with archival (it seems to me) is a format whose source will "always" be readable

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Roland Goretzki
Hello list, hello Tim, You wrote: > Roland asked: I wonder what the typical note-entry-time/layout-tweak-time > ratio is amongst LilyPond users. It was Tom, not Roland. :-) Best Regards Roland ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-09 Thread Tim Reeves
Roland asked: I wonder what the typical note-entry-time/layout-tweak-time ratio is amongst LilyPond users. For me, lilypond works quite well "out of the box" and my ratio is probably about 90/10. Then again, I'm mostly working on just horn parts for myself - not piano or choir or orchestral sc

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-08 Thread Arvid Grøtting
alcor.concordia.ca> writes: > I wonder what the typical note-entry-time/layout-tweak-time ratio is > amongst LilyPond users. I'm probably not average (who is?), but I guess I spend about 40% of the time spent on a score on initial note entry, 30% on layout tweaking, 20% on proofreading and

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-08 Thread Roland Goretzki
Hello list, hello Tom, You wrote: > > . . . if convert-ly doesn't work, most of the note-entry should be > > straightforward to reuse, leaving organization and tweaking to be done > > (for me, that usually takes about half of the time of preparing a > > score, so that's not so bad). > > [ ... ] >

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-07 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 01:12:11AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > . . . if convert-ly doesn't work, most of the note-entry should be > > straightforward to reuse, leaving organization and tweaking to be done > > (for me, that usually takes about half of the time of preparing a > > score, so

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-07 Thread stk
> . . . if convert-ly doesn't work, most of the note-entry should be > straightforward to reuse, leaving organization and tweaking to be done > (for me, that usually takes about half of the time of preparing a > score, so that's not so bad). I use LilyPond for cases that have intractable layout p

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-07 Thread Aaron Dalton
Jason Merrill wrote: > Thanks for the interesting comments so far. I want to refocus the > discussion slightly. I didn't mean to get into a discussion about the > relative merits of lilypond as an entry tool, exactly, so take as a > temporary supposition that I want to enter music in lilypond rig

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-07 Thread Jason Merrill
Thanks for the interesting comments so far. I want to refocus the discussion slightly. I didn't mean to get into a discussion about the relative merits of lilypond as an entry tool, exactly, so take as a temporary supposition that I want to enter music in lilypond right now, but that at some fut

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-07 Thread Aaron Dalton
Josiah Boothby wrote: > On 4/5/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello everybody, hello Jason, >> >> I would like to add my 2 cents here: though LilyPond syntax evolves >> indeed very quickly, you'll always be able to find the version of >> LilyPond which was in use when you firs

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-06 Thread Josiah Boothby
On 4/5/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everybody, hello Jason, I would like to add my 2 cents here: though LilyPond syntax evolves indeed very quickly, you'll always be able to find the version of LilyPond which was in use when you first typed your score, on http://lilypo

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-05 Thread Valentin Villenave
Hello everybody, hello Jason, I would like to add my 2 cents here: though LilyPond syntax evolves indeed very quickly, you'll always be able to find the version of LilyPond which was in use when you first typed your score, on http://lilypond.org/web/install/older-versions or http://download.linux

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-05 Thread stk
Hi -- I think you're right that LilyPond (.ly) files aren't good for long-term archival, since LilyPond syntax changes so rapidly. Myriad (in France) has released a program called PDFtoMusic Pro that purportedly will convert a PDF file to MusicXML or to MIDI. Presumably the PDF file cannot b

Re: producing "archival" scores

2007-04-05 Thread Tim Reeves
I love lilypond, and would like to encourage others to use it also, and the answer to Jason's question would help me as well. I hope someone can answer it well. Night before last, I was playing off a part that someone had generated using Finale Print Music (?), and it wasn't very good (way too