Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:11:41AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
I almost would suggest to put this crash course on the home page via a Flash
animation: 4 slides:
The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
play tower defense game
2009/6/25 Mats Bengtsson :
> I cannot really recall having seen "About" as a main link on any other
> product web page
> (it's rather used in Help menus of different programs if you want to check
> what version you
> have installed). So, it's probably not so obvious for most readers what to
> expec
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by ne
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
Hmm.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
> mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
> resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
Hmm. I've having difficulty with
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Ivo Bouwmans wrote:
> Hallo all,
>
> Hans & Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
>>> Low resolution displays are quickly disappearing. On the Mac side, the
>>> smallest have about 1280x720 plus some (so that HDT
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:22:24AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Bertalan Fodor
> (LilyPondTool) wrote:
> > I would be very interested if the owner of the report gave me rights to
> > have access to it. Google Analytics is cool.
>
> I have given gper...@gmail.co
Hallo all,
Hans & Graham wrote:
I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
Low resolution displays are quickly disappearing. On the Mac side,
the
smallest have about 1280x720 plus some (so that HDTV 720p will fit).
Free standing displays seems to be most price effic
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:06:41AM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote:
> > Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
> > modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
> > better-looking versio
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:18:35PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:51, Patrick McCarty wrote:
>
>> Do you or anyone else have any specific ideas for a different location
>> of the water-lily logo?
>
> I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
> Low res
On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:51, Patrick McCarty wrote:
Have you tried seeing if "LilyPond" is still readable on smaller
screen resolutions (800x600). That is, with the current design, the
word "LilyPond" will overlap the image, so the contrast has to be
sufficient.
This might require different desi
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 01:26:49PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 12:06, Patrick McCarty wrote:
>
>> Have you tried seeing if "LilyPond" is still readable on smaller
>> screen resolutions (800x600). That is, with the current design, the
>> word "LilyPond" will overlap the image, so
Graham Percival wrote:
> Yes, and we've had an open request for "help wanted: make a page
> showing off different editors" for the past 3 years...
>
> > Also some screenshots of them (like
> > https://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=100536 and
>
> I accidentally missed copying the "6", giving me
>> I *hate* sites that attempt to force a particular resolution. :/
>
> I concur. I'm apt to simply delete html emails before reading them
> if they require horizontal scrolling. I almost invariably navigate
> away from sites that require this. If this is at all avoidable, it
> should be preven
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
> I would be very interested if the owner of the report gave me rights to
> have access to it. Google Analytics is cool.
I have given gper...@gmail.com access to this a long time ago. Go to
www.google.com/analytics
--
Han-We
On 24 Jun 2009, at 12:06, Patrick McCarty wrote:
Have you tried seeing if "LilyPond" is still readable on smaller
screen resolutions (800x600). That is, with the current design, the
word "LilyPond" will overlap the image, so the contrast has to be
sufficient.
This might require different desi
On 24 Jun 2009, at 11:19, Valentin Villenave wrote:
The LilyPond logo
could get some more color.
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
better-looking version (IMO) that I've just made using the Gimp:
No, it's free, it is already enabled on the lilypond.org site. But to
view a report you must have the access rights. So that person who
enabled it on lilypond.org could give rights for others to view the report.
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:46:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (L
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote:
> 2009/6/23 Hans Aberg :
> > The LilyPond logo
> > could get some more color.
>
> Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
> modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
> better-lookin
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:46:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>
>> I don't think that even The Almight Google (tm) can distinguish
>> between a person ceasing to browse lilypond.org because they got
>> scared vs. ceasing to browse because their cat just brought in a
>> mouse. But
I don't think that even The Almight Google (tm) can distinguish
between a person ceasing to browse lilypond.org because they got
scared vs. ceasing to browse because their cat just brought in a
mouse. But I'm willing to be proven wrong; what does google
analytics tell you about our current webp
2009/6/23 Hans Aberg :
> The LilyPond logo
> could get some more color.
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
better-looking version (IMO) that I've just made using the Gimp:
http://valentin.villenave.inf
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
thanks for your work.
\r
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2009/6/24 Graham Percival :
> The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
> play tower defense games. Other than that, it should die an
> unmerciful death and never be mentioned in the same sentence as
> "web" or "home page". :)
Fortunately, there are now several Free ways of
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:53:14AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>
>> It's always tricky finding a balance between appealing to users
>> and warning them about the text. I'm not going to claim that the
>> balance in the new website is perfect, but I think it's worth
>> trying. Let's
It's always tricky finding a balance between appealing to users
and warning them about the text. I'm not going to claim that the
balance in the new website is perfect, but I think it's worth
trying. Let's try it for a few months; if we still have new users
sending bug reports about having no m
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:11:41AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
> I almost would suggest to put this crash course on the home page via a Flash
> animation: 4 slides:
The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
play tower defense games. Other than that, it should
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:32:40AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor wrote:
> Ok. Though the crash course is too long. One would never read it
> to the bottom.
I spent about 30 minutes trying to make it smaller -- I must admit
that I have a huge "not invented here" bias against
beginner-oriented documentatio
Yes it really is, I like it, honestly.
But it is inappropriate for the purpose of having a page to notify the
user about that LilyPond just compiles and does nothing more. For this
purpose I would only show:
- The "compiling music" section.
- The screenshot of a dev environment (preferably Lily
2009/6/24 Bertalan Fodor :
> Ok. Though the crash course is too long. One would never read it to the
> bottom.
I'd say it is *excellent*.
Mmmmaybe a question of taste.
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Ok. Though the crash course is too long. One would never read it to the bottom.
Original message
From: Graham Percival
Sent: 23 Jun 2009 22:36 -07:00
To: Bertalan Fodor
Cc:
Subject: Re: new website: initial comments
No, not from the homepage. LM 1.2 specifically will be linked
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:31:30AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor wrote:
>
> So will LM 1.2 be linked from the homepage?
>
> Original message
> From: Graham Percival
> Sent: 23 Jun 2009 21:29 -07:00
> To: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: ne
So will LM 1.2 be linked from the homepage?
Original message
From: Graham Percival
Sent: 23 Jun 2009 21:29 -07:00
To: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)
Cc:
Subject: Re: new website: initial comments
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
>
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
> I mean where could the "Choose a LilyPond Editor to download"
> page go. Not the discussions about the editors, but the links
> with screenshots to download the 2 mostly recommended
> development environment.
I don't
On Jun 23, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Graham Percival wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:52:08AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than "Normal Users" for the second sect
Graham Percival wrote
although that said, even the apple webpage is getting awfully cluttered.
(and it requires horizontal scrolling in my browser! ok, this
*is* a netbook, but it still has 800 pixels. I *hate* sites that
attempt to force a particular resolution. :/ )
I concur. I'm apt t
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:52:08AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
>
>> 2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
>> wording other than "Normal Users" for the second section of
>> documentation links. This might i
On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than "Normal Users" for the second section of
documentation links. This might imply that "Beginning U
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:48:02PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
> On 23 Jun 2009, at 18:46, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>
>> The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
>> lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
>> 'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main sto
Graham Percival wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 04:40:17PM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
Several times had we discussions on the list that the recommended
editors (namely JEdit/LilyPondTool and Frescobaldi) should have their
download links on the homepage.
Yes, and we'v
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 04:40:17PM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
> Several times had we discussions on the list that the recommended
> editors (namely JEdit/LilyPondTool and Frescobaldi) should have their
> download links on the homepage.
Yes, and we've had an open request for "h
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Graham
Percival wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:11:05AM -0400, David Stocker wrote:
>> 1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
>> pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
>> /Engraving Essay/. I think
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:11:05AM -0400, David Stocker wrote:
> 1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
> pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
> /Engraving Essay/. I think it's cleaner looking and fits better
> with LilyPond's
On 23 Jun 2009, at 18:46, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main stories. Currently, someone
unfamiliar with the (new) site does not know
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:39:44AM -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote:
> ..docs-beginner {
> float: left;
> width: 48%;
> border: 1pt solid black;
> background-color: #99;
> }
>
> ..docs-normal {
> float: right;
> width: 48%;
> border: 1pt solid black;
> background-color: #ccffee;
> }
>
> ..do
Hallo Graham,
Well, I wanted to make the point that it still works in 10.3 and
10.4.
You're right - of course.
Of course, if Christian's efforts work on 10.5, then such
warnings (and your page) may no longer be necessary! It would be
awesome if 2.14 could include out-of-the-box GUIs on 10.5
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:41:00PM +0200, Ivo Bouwmans wrote:
> On the Mac OS X page a ref is asking to be fixed. You could link to the
> page that I maintain for Mac users
> (www.ivo.bouwmans.name/lilypondleopard), which lists various ways to use
> LP on Mac, and links to sites like that of Lil
Hallo Graham,
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help?
The main structure is very clear: it's easy to find what is where. I
particularly like the division in the documents section, wh
Graham Percival wrote:
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
The purple background as used on the documentation page has terrible
contrast/clash with the blue of unvisited links on Firefox on Linux
making it reall
The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main stories. Currently, someone
unfamiliar with the (new) site does not know where to start.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:15 AM, G
Graham Percival wrote:
Any comments or offers of help?
Several times had we discussions on the list that the recommended
editors (namely JEdit/LilyPondTool and Frescobaldi) should have their
download links on the homepage. Also some screenshots of them (like
https://sourceforge.net/dbima
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than "Normal Users" for the second section of
documentation links. This might imply that "Beginning Users" are
somehow /abnormal/. Maybe "Regular U
Nice new layout.
I have only two suggestions:
1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
/Engraving Essay/. I think it's cleaner looking and fits better
with LilyPond's ethos of beautiful typ
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:34:56AM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:11:31AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> > Actually, I like the three-color sections in the main page: they help
> > highlighting what's relevant for each different user..
>
> IMO, the divs (from left to
On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:19, Patrick McCarty wrote:
The color scheme is in a state of flux, so these are definitely not
the final colors; my initial focus has been on the page layout.
Do you think the *major* color should be green, like in the
documentation design?
I think the yellow to intense
Patrick McCarty wrote:
IMO, the divs (from left to right) should be
Beginner --> Normal --> Advanced
Ok, so three columns.
I guess this is better
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:11:31AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> Graham Percival wrote:
>> Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
>> http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
>>
>> Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
>> overall design
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:44:23AM +0100, Daniel Hulme wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:15:35PM -0700, Graham Percival wrote:
> > Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
> > overall design issues, like "you should have a `blarg' section on
> > the main menu" or "I can't f
Graham Percival wrote:
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues, like "you should have a `blarg' section on
the main menu" or "I can't
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:15:35PM -0700, Graham Percival wrote:
> Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
> overall design issues, like "you should have a `blarg' section on
> the main menu" or "I can't find the current documentation on this
> new website".
The three colou
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