RE: cross-staff stems

Thank you Werner! Mark -Original Message- From: Werner LEMBERG [mailto:w...@gnu.org] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 9:18 PM To: ksnor...@gmail.com Cc: carsonm...@ca.rr.com; will...@williamrehwinkel.net; j...@abou-samra.fr; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: cross-staff stems In March we

Re: cross-staff stems

In March we had the following discussion about cross-staff stems. > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your > expertise. Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the d

RE: cross-staff stems

Werner, Knute has provided a visual that cannot be improved. Mark -Original Message- From: Werner LEMBERG [mailto:w...@gnu.org] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 8:37 AM To: carsonm...@ca.rr.com Cc: will...@williamrehwinkel.net; j...@abou-samra.fr; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: cross

Re: cross-staff stems

Dear all, Something like the following example might be helpful to include in the documentation, as it explains which of the staves \crossStaff should be applied to. -Will % -- \version "2.24.1" \new PianoStaff << \new Staff = "right" { \voiceTwo \crossStaff { c''4^"\crossStaf

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staff and therefore the command had to be there. Mark From: Carl Sorensen [mailto:carl.d.soren...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 8:41 AM To: Werner LEMBERG Cc: carsonm...@ca.rr.com; will...@williamrehwinkel.net; j...@abou-samra.fr; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: cross-staff

Re: cross-staff stems

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:00 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > > > > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your > > > > expertise. > > > > > > Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the > > > d

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On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:37 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the > > > documentation? > > > > May I have the day to ruminate? > > Please take your time, and thanks for working on this! > Didn't the problem occur because the crossStaff re

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> > Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the > > documentation? > > May I have the day to ruminate? Please take your time, and thanks for working on this! Werner

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-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: cross-staff stems > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your expertise. Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the documentation? Werner

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@gnu.org Subject: Re: cross-staff stems On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:33 PM Werner LEMBERG mailto:w...@gnu.org> > wrote: > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your expertise. Can you please sugg

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> > > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > > > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your > > > expertise. > > > > Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the > > documentation? > > Well, this is the first time I've heard that the

Re: cross-staff stems

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 10:33 PM Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your expertise. > > Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the > documentation? > Well, this i

Re: cross-staff stems

> The documentation does not explicitly relate stem direction with > location of command. So I am very fortunate to have your expertise. Can you please suggest a better wording that I can add to the documentation? Werner

RE: cross-staff stems

Leo, Thanks for the code and the advice. Mark -Original Message- From: Leo Correia de Verdier [mailto:leo.correia.de.verd...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 5:43 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: Jean Abou Samra ; lilypond-user Subject: Re: cross-staff stems Like this

RE: cross-staff stems

PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; 'Jean Abou Samra' ; 'lilypond-user' Subject: Re: cross-staff stems Dear Mark, I found that the error was applying "\crossStaff" to the lower notes instead of the higher ones, applying them to the upper notes (whos stems will extend fu

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> 23 mars 2023 kl. 01:24 skrev Mark Stephen Mrotek : > > Jean, > > Attached is a MWE > Want stem to connect c and a, also c an g. > Thank you for your kind attention. > > Mark > > From: Jean Abou Samra [mailto:j...@abou-samra.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, March 2

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Le jeudi 23 mars 2023 à 01:29 +0100, Jean Abou Samra a écrit : > My guess is that you put `\crossStaff` in the lower staff rather than in the > upper staff. Sorry for reading too quickly. It's not a guess, you did put `\crossStaff` in your `AleftTwo` variable. Put it in `ArightTwo` instead, and

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ote: Jean, Attached is a MWE Want stem to connect c and a, also c an g. Thank you for your kind attention. Mark *From:*Jean Abou Samra [mailto:j...@abou-samra.fr] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:41 PM *To:* Mark Stephen Mrotek ; 'lilypond-user' *Subject:* Re: cross-staff stems

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Le mercredi 22 mars 2023 à 17:24 -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek a écrit : > Jean, >   > Attached is a MWE > Want stem to connect c and a, also c an g. > Thank you for your kind attention. This works for me: ``` \version "2.22.2" ArightOne = \relative c'' { f4 (e8) s8 } ArightTwo = \rel

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Jean, Attached is a MWE Want stem to connect c and a, also c an g. Thank you for your kind attention. Mark From: Jean Abou Samra [mailto:j...@abou-samra.fr] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:41 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; 'lilypond-user' Subject: Re: cross-staff st

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Le mercredi 22 mars 2023 à 14:28 -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek a écrit : > Hello! >   > My piano score has four voices each coded as a variable. > At a single place I want a cross stem between the tenor and alto voice. > The directions at > [https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notat

Re: Cross-Staff stems not working

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 5:59 AM Simon Bailey wrote: > > Hi, > > consider this code: > > \version "2.23.9" > \layout { > \context { > \PianoStaff > \consists "Span_stem_engraver" > } > } > > { > \new PianoStaff << > \new Staff { > 4 r r2 | > } > \new Staff { >

RE: Cross staff stems for beamed notes

Helge, Welcome. Mark -Original Message- From: Helge Kruse [mailto:helge.kr...@gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Cross staff stems for beamed notes Am 26.04.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek: > He

Re: Cross staff stems for beamed notes

Am 26.04.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek: > Helga, > Mark, \autoBeamOf/On and the correct placement of \crossStaff did the job perfectly. Thanks, Helge ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listi

RE: Cross staff stems for beamed notes

Helga, It has to do with the \voiceOne. \version "2.19.81" \layout { \context { \PianoStaff \consists #Span_stem_engraver } } { \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { \time 6/8 r8 \voiceOne [] \voiceTwo } \new Staff { \clef bass

Re: Cross staff stems for beamed notes

On 26/04/2018 07:28, Helge Kruse wrote: > I need to add cross staff stems and used the approach found in > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/staff-notation.html#staff-notation-cross-staff-stems > > Unfortunately this doesn't give the expected result for eighth notes. > - If th

Re: Cross staff stems for beamed notes

I think you'd need to omit the beams: \version "2.19.81" \score { << \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { \time 6/8 fis'4. \stemDown a' } \new Staff { \time 6/8 \clef bass \crossStaff { 4. < a! a,!> } } >> \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { \time 6/8 r8 q \stemUp q[ q] \s

Re: Cross-staff stems

Many thanks to Andrew, Thomas and Phil! @Andrew: you're right... the typography itself is tricky, and maybe not very "official" (that's a Boosey edition); but clear: the RH must play the accompagnement notes from the LH. I chose Phil's solution... But I keep that of Andrew ... you never can tell

Re: Cross-staff stems

>> } -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Andrew Bernard To: lilypond-user Mailinglist Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Cross-staff stems Hi All, This is surprisingly tricky, because the b flats don't line up with the bass. I think the OP

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2018-03-28 15:43 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bernard : > Hi All, > > This is surprisingly tricky, because the b flats don't line up with the > bass. I think the OP is asking how to achieve that, not the mechanism of > cross staff stemming. > > I cant figure it out either! > > Andrew Hi Bernhard. as Andrew

Re: Cross-staff stems

Hi All, This is surprisingly tricky, because the b flats don't line up with the bass. I think the OP is asking how to achieve that, not the mechanism of cross staff stemming. I cant figure it out either! Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-u

RE: Cross-staff stems

Bernard, Have a look at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-key boards#cross_002dstaff-stems Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Bernard Meylan Sent: Wednesday, March 28,

Re: Cross-staff stems

On 3/28/2018 4:43 AM, Bernard Meylan wrote: Hi all! I try to find a solution to this typographical music problem: Trying with the doc page relative to this subject, or trying with 2 voices on RH, nothing seems to right. An

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On 12.12.2017 01:12, Chris Jones wrote: One example I looked at when I got started on this used double "<< >>" brackets to represent chords whereas the official lilypond documentation recommends using single "< >" brackets. How are they different in terms of lilypond's behaviour? The officia

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty > simple. Time allowing... I managed to take another look at the documentation. Will have to run additional tests and that may not be possible befo

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Mon 11 Dec 2017 at 00:58:01 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote: > David Wright writes: > > > On Sun 10 Dec 2017 at 22:00:01 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote: > >> David Wright writes: > >> > >> > On Sat 09 Dec 2017 at 21:58:58 (-0500), Chris Jones wrote: > >> >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST,

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

David Wright writes: > On Sun 10 Dec 2017 at 22:00:01 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote: >> David Wright writes: >> >> > On Sat 09 Dec 2017 at 21:58:58 (-0500), Chris Jones wrote: >> >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: >> >> > Hi Chris, >> >> >> >> > Just look up the sy

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Sun 10 Dec 2017 at 22:00:01 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote: > David Wright writes: > > > On Sat 09 Dec 2017 at 21:58:58 (-0500), Chris Jones wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: > >> > Hi Chris, > >> > >> > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

Hi Martin, I perhaps did not express that clearly. 2.19.80 is in the development line and it is technically marked 'unstable' as opposed to the 2.18.2 stable release, because anything not 2.18.2 is called 'unstable'. But this does not mean it is unstable and unusable. In actual use and practice th

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

David Wright writes: > On Sat 09 Dec 2017 at 21:58:58 (-0500), Chris Jones wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: >> > Hi Chris, >> >> > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty >> > simple. >> >> > I don't know much about 2.18.2, b

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Sat 09 Dec 2017 at 21:58:58 (-0500), Chris Jones wrote: > On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty > > simple. > > > I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is the

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On 12/10/2017 12:57 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote: On 10/12/17 01:29, Andrew Bernard wrote: Hi Chris, Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty simple. I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is there. By the way, have you considered upgrading to 2.

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On 10/12/17 01:29, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty > simple. > > I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is there. > By the way, have you considered upgrading to 2.19.80? It's very stable > and the 19

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

Hi Chris, The best way is to download the release from the lilypond website - distro versions are always old. Andrew On 10 December 2017 at 13:58, Chris Jones wrote: > > > If an upgrade is at all necessary within the limited scope of this > particular project, I will check out more current en

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:29:54PM EST, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Hi Chris, > Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty > simple. > I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is there. > By the way, have you considered upgrading to 2.19.80? It's very sta

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

Hi Chris, Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty simple. I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is there. By the way, have you considered upgrading to 2.19.80? It's very stable and the 19 series have so many good features it seems a pity to lang

Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:18:49PM EST, Chris Jones wrote: > I am attaching a .png file of the "before vs. after" type. Oops... forgot to attach the image! Here goes. Thanks, CJ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.o

Re: Cross staff stems between notes of different durations

On 07/20/2016 03:15 PM, Rutger Hofman wrote: For me, this just works, with differentlyHeaded and with different durations for the same NoteHead type: \version "2.19.39" \score { \new PianoStaff \with { \consists #Span_stem_engraver } << \new Staff = RH <<

Re: Cross staff stems between notes of different durations

On 20.07.2016 15:14, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Maybe even better would be a possibility to just use \change Staff = "id" inside a chord. Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypon

Re: Cross staff stems between notes of different durations

For me, this just works, with differentlyHeaded and with different durations for the same NoteHead type: \version "2.19.39" \score { \new PianoStaff \with { \consists #Span_stem_engraver } << \new Staff = RH << \time 3/4 \relative c'' {

Re: Cross staff stems between notes of different durations

Hi Andrew, > Total silence? No thoughts, anybody? Until we have the ability to say, e.g., which could easily be music-function-ized, I think your hack (or something similar) is all you’ve got. Would love to be proven wrong, though! Cheers, Kieren. Kieren

Re: Cross staff stems between notes of different durations

Total silence? No thoughts, anybody? Andrew On 18 July 2016 at 11:45:51 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: If one wants to have cross staff stems between notes of different durations, found often in the contemporary music I set, is there a lilypond setting of some sort to do this? _

Re: Cross-staff stems + TupletBracket.outside-staff-priority

takumi ikeda wrote Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:52 AM > I found that the following code does not work properly. I don't know > whether it is the known bug or not... > > > > \version "2.18.2" > > { > \new PianoStaff << >\new Staff = up { > > % It works well when the followong li

Re: cross-staff stems for only two of three staves

Am 20.11.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Malte Meyn: Hi list, I would like to set cross staff stems in a three-staff piano score. With stems from the middle to lower or upper staff everything works fine but not the other way (from outer to middle staff). Does anyone have an idea how to fix that or work

Re: cross-staff stems for only two of three staves

Hi Stephen, thank you for your reply. (Please always reply to the list.) I should have been clearer: I want three notes in three staves, all with stem up, and a stem only from the lower to the middle staff but not to the upper. (You suggested to omit the flag from the middle staff; that would

Re: Cross-staff stems and ottava for one voice only

Thanks, Shane. I turned auto beaming off and hid a flag, and it was perfect. Maybe I'll finish this piece after all! Knute Snortum (via Gmail) On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Shane Brandes wrote: > I ran into this problem way back with version 2.12. It is always > annoying. Try replacing y

Re: Cross-staff stems and ottava for one voice only

I ran into this problem way back with version 2.12. It is always annoying. Try replacing your lower staff with the following. You can I am sure clean up the funny rest position. regards, Shane lowerStaffTop = \relative c { \hideTimeSignature \time 5/4 e2. ~ e2 \hideTimeSignature \time 3/4

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Bernard" To: Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags This workaround works fine. Do we need to raise a bug? The behaviour is clearly a defect. Andrew http://code.google.com/p/lilyp

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

I'll do that. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: "Andrew Bernard" To: Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags This workaround works fine. Do we need to raise a bug? The behaviour is clearly a defect. Andre

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

This workaround works fine. Do we need to raise a bug? The behaviour is clearly a defect. Andrew On 1/06/13 2:44 AM, luis jure wrote: i had this very same problem recently, and i solved it by drastic means: \autoBeamOff \override Flag.stencil = ##f \crossStaff { } \autoBeamOn \revert Fla

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

Yes, this makes strange output - half right. Andrew On 1/06/13 1:51 AM, Phil Holmes wrote: I think it's a bug in the way the modern-straight-flag stencil is implemented - it seems to prevent any Flag.style being interpreted, and so the style of no-flag is ignored. It's a bit of a faff, but yo

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

on 2013-05-31 at 16:51 Phil Holmes wrote: > It's a bit of a faff, but you can fix this with selected reverts and > overrides in the voices: ... is your code actually working for you? i tried it here and the output is not right... i had this very same problem recently, and i solved it by dra

Re: Cross staff stems with modern flags

I think it's a bug in the way the modern-straight-flag stencil is implemented - it seems to prevent any Flag.style being interpreted, and so the style of no-flag is ignored. It's a bit of a faff, but you can fix this with selected reverts and overrides in the voices: \version "2.17.18" upper

Re: Cross-staff stems

Thanks a lot. Eventually I decided to opt for \change Staff = "other_instrument". Best, Peter On 10/16/2012 05:45 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: "Peter O'Doherty" To: "lilypond-user" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: Cross-staff stems Hi list, Is

Re: Cross-staff stems

- Original Message - From: "Peter O'Doherty" To: "lilypond-user" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: Cross-staff stems Hi list, Is there an effective (and relatively straightforward) way (is there perhaps a template?) to notate percussion scores where each instrument h

Re: Cross Staff Stems

On 3/18/09 4:17 PM, "Alberto Simões" wrote: > Hello > > While the documentation explains that these vars need to be changed in > order to produce croll-staff stems: > > % stems may overlap the other staff > \override Stem #'cross-staff = ##t > % extend the stems to re

Re: cross-staff stems

James E. Bailey Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:38 PM Am 30.08.2008 um 20:46 schrieb Neil Puttock: I'm sure you've worked it out for yourself by now, but in case you're still stumped, here's a hint: \noBeam Actually, I used \autoBeamOff, I never really noticed \noBeam before, and it's not in t

Re: cross-staff stems

Am 30.08.2008 um 20:46 schrieb Neil Puttock: Hi James, 2008/8/30 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Is there a way to have cross staff stems on beamed notes? Or does it only work with flagged/non-flagged notes? I didn't see anything mentioned in the docs. I'm sure you've worked it out

Re: cross-staff stems

2008/8/30 Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi James, > > 2008/8/30 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Is there a way to have cross staff stems on beamed notes? Or does it only >> work with flagged/non-flagged notes? I didn't see anything mentioned in the >> docs. > > I'm sure you've worked

Re: cross-staff stems

Hi James, 2008/8/30 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there a way to have cross staff stems on beamed notes? Or does it only > work with flagged/non-flagged notes? I didn't see anything mentioned in the > docs. I'm sure you've worked it out for yourself by now, but in case you're still st

Re: Cross-staff stems in PianoStaff

Jonatan Liljedahl wrote: I know I can manually remove the stem flag and lengthen the stem until it reaches the other stem, but that's a lot of extra work... Is there any plans to make this automatic? There's the intention to do something about them, but I haven't worked out how to solve it. Y