Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:45 PM 2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : Neil Puttock wrote Monday, December 29, 2008 1:25 PM 2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : OK - have this in hand. Thanks. Trevor, I'm working on some additions to 'bound-details in changing-defaults.itely at the mome

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-30 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : > > Neil Puttock wrote Monday, December 29, 2008 1:25 PM > > >> 2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : >>> >>> OK - have this in hand. Thanks. >> >> Trevor, I'm working on some additions to 'bound-details in >> changing-defaults.itely at the moment. When I've finished, I'll add

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-29 Thread Trevor Daniels
Neil Puttock wrote Monday, December 29, 2008 1:25 PM 2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : OK - have this in hand. Thanks. Trevor, I'm working on some additions to 'bound-details in changing-defaults.itely at the moment. When I've finished, I'll add some info to the section which discusses 'outsi

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-29 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/12/29 Trevor Daniels : > > OK - have this in hand. Thanks. Trevor, I'm working on some additions to 'bound-details in changing-defaults.itely at the moment. When I've finished, I'll add some info to the section which discusses 'outside-staff-priority. As for the general issue with accident

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-29 Thread Trevor Daniels
James E. Bailey wrote Monday, December 29, 2008 8:23 AM Am 29.12.2008 um 06:26 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: However, there are situations where you don't have access to the mailing list, and then you have to find it in the docs. Can you suggest where improvements shall be added so that your speci

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-29 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 29.12.2008 um 06:26 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: However, there are situations where you don't have access to the mailing list, and then you have to find it in the docs. Can you suggest where improvements shall be added so that your specific problem is covered? Well then I'd have to say that t

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 06:26:41AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > Sounds sensible. Can you cook up a small example which > demonstrates the effect you've sought? We can easily add it to > the documentation then. Ideally add it directly to LSR; this greatly simplifies the process of getting it in

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > However, there are situations where you don't have access to the > > mailing list, and then you have to find it in the docs. Can you > > suggest where improvements shall be added so that your specific > > problem is covered? > > Well then I'd have to say that the easiest, and easiest to find

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-28 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 29.12.2008 um 00:17 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Once I learned about outside staff-priority, everything was good. Which for me is the usual situation: I get unexpected output, and then learn that there's a perfectly acceptable reason for that output. In this case: outside-staff-priority takes p

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Once I learned about outside staff-priority, everything was good. > Which for me is the usual situation: I get unexpected output, and > then learn that there's a perfectly acceptable reason for that > output. In this case: outside-staff-priority takes precedence over > avoid-slur. The learning

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-28 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 28.12.2008 um 06:48 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Oh, perhaps I haven't made this clear. I have read the learning manual. I do not have it memorised. I don't use extra offset all that often. I asked for help because the ways I know of how to move the object, (namely looking in the IR for thin

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Oh, perhaps I haven't made this clear. I have read the learning > manual. I do not have it memorised. I don't use extra offset all > that often. I asked for help because the ways I know of how to move > the object, (namely looking in the IR for things that might control > positioning the obje

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-27 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 27.12.2008 um 19:37 schrieb Graham Percival: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:37:35AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: Am 27.12.2008 um 01:07 schrieb Graham Percival: Of course I omitted that. You're assumed to have read the Learning Manual. In particular, LM 4.5.1 and 4.5.2. So wait, the mos

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-27 Thread Neil Puttock
2008/12/27 Graham Percival : > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:37:35AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: >> >> Am 27.12.2008 um 01:07 schrieb Graham Percival: >> >>> Of course I omitted that. You're assumed to have read the >>> Learning Manual. In particular, LM 4.5.1 and 4.5.2. >> >> So wait, the most us

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:37:35AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: > > Am 27.12.2008 um 01:07 schrieb Graham Percival: > >> Of course I omitted that. You're assumed to have read the >> Learning Manual. In particular, LM 4.5.1 and 4.5.2. > > So wait, the most useful piece of information, the piece o

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-27 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 27.12.2008 um 01:07 schrieb Graham Percival: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 01:01:19AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: he still omitted the easiest part of helping which could have simple been, \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -5.0), instead of the wonderful instruction in how to pr

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 01:01:19AM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: > > he still omitted the easiest part of helping which could have > simple been, \override TextScript #'extra-offset = #'( 0.0 . -5.0), > instead of the wonderful instruction in how to properly use lilypond. Of course I omitted th

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 26.12.2008 um 23:59 schrieb Graham Percival: Well, first start off with a simple example: \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { c4( \once \set suggestAccidentals = ##t cis d4.) c8 } Hmm, it prints an error message. It would be helpful to report this to the bug list. You know, I nev

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 23:40:12 schrieb James E. Bailey: > Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival: > > To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica > > ficta can be found through a "see also" link under NR 1.1 > > Acci

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:40:12PM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: > > Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival: >>> >> To everybody apart from Eyolf who posted in this thread: musica >> ficta can be found through a "see also" link under NR 1.1 >> Accidentals, > > Perhaps you have a different v

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 26.12.2008 um 17:57 schrieb Graham Percival: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote: On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: If so then I'd just use d!4. instead. No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times. Sometimes these we

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 21:46:07 schrieb James E. Bailey: > Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of > this problem: > \version "2.11.65" > > \relative c'' { > \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside > \ov

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread james
In the meantime, I figured out another solution: I can just do everything in markup, and set the baseline skip myself. \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside \override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f c2*1/2( s4^\markup \tiny \override

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 09:46:07PM +0100, James E. Bailey wrote: > Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of > this problem: What's the problem? By that question, I mean "what's the musical intent of that lilypond code?". Because to me, it looks like you're trying to

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread James E. Bailey
Neil, thanks for the help, now I guess I move on to the next part of this problem: \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside \override Script #'avoid-slur = #'inside \override TextScript #'script-priority = #-100 \override TextScript #'outside-s

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:50:46PM +0100, Eyolf ?strem wrote: > On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > > If so then I'd just use d!4. instead. > > > > No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times. > > Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes t

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2008/12/26 james : > I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This > doesn't work: > \version "2.11.65" > > \relative c'' { > \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside > c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8 > } What's the musical sense of this? Maybe what you want

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Neil Puttock
Hi James, 2008/12/26 James E. Bailey : > No, I want the natural under the slur. Which I what I thought inside did. You'll have to turn off 'outside-staff-priority for TextScript, since it takes precendence over 'avoid-slur. \override TextScript #'outside-staff-priority = ##f Regards, Neil __

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Eyolf Ă˜strem
On 26.12.2008 (15:06), Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > > If so then I'd just use d!4. instead. > > No, it was common practice to put accidentals above notes in older times. > Sometimes these were meant to be optional, sometimes they were cautinary > accidentals. In any case, if you try to be close t

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2008 14:33:11 schrieb Jonathan Kulp: > James E. Bailey wrote: > > Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp: > >> james wrote: > >>> I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. > >>> This doesn't work:

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Jonathan Kulp
James E. Bailey wrote: Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp: james wrote: I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This doesn't work: \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread James E. Bailey
Am 26.12.2008 um 13:15 schrieb Jonathan Kulp: james wrote: I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This doesn't work: \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8 } In fact, it increases

Re: avoid slur help

2008-12-26 Thread Jonathan Kulp
james wrote: I'm having some difficulty understanding the 'avoid-slur property. This doesn't work: \version "2.11.65" \relative c'' { \override TextScript #'avoid-slur = #'inside c2*1/2( s4^\markup {\natural} d4.) c8 } In fact, it increases the space between the slur and the notes, but