Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-24 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op 20-03-13 15:54, James Harkins schreef: The proposal is: - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time - New: R2 ==*two* full measure rests in any time signature I don't like it, because the real duration is not visible anymore, because it depends on some hidden information that is only av

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-23 Thread Olivier Biot
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:54 PM, James Harkins wrote: > My opinion (as a somewhat-more-than-casual Lilypond user, and as a > contributor to another music software package [SuperCollider]): Any > change in syntax that will break prior usage should be considered > very, very carefully to be sure th

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Janek WarchoĊ‚
[snip long discussion] hi people, I'd love to be able to write R*4 to get 4 full measure rests without having to think about time signature. This would be very convenient. Therefore i'm sorry to hear that such a feature is likely impossible to implement properly (if David says so, there's a good

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Keith OHara
David Kastrup gnu.org> writes: > Now look at the output of > music = { \time 4/4 a1 a1 a1 a1 } > \new Staff << \music \\ { f1 \time 12/4 f1 f1 f1 } >> > which is a perfectly valid though slightly capricious LilyPond file. That is how I join parts together with time changes, and I didn't thin

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi all, > >> If it is entered into the tracker, I strongly suggest adding a link to >> my mail with the LilyPond example for a startling bar count. It might >> keep people from wasting unnecessary time due to underestimating the >> problem. > > +1 > That example certai

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > If it is entered into the tracker, I strongly suggest adding a link to > my mail with the LilyPond example for a startling bar count. It might > keep people from wasting unnecessary time due to underestimating the > problem. +1 That example certainly pointed out a significant hurdle to

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > [Snip possibly final comments.] > > I've read all the emails on this, and personally agree that R*5 for 5 > FMRs of whatever time sig would be a step forward. Whether this is > easy or difficult to implement is irrelevant to the way we handle > enhancement requests. > > K

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Phil Holmes
[Snip possibly final comments.] I've read all the emails on this, and personally agree that R*5 for 5 FMRs of whatever time sig would be a step forward. Whether this is easy or difficult to implement is irrelevant to the way we handle enhancement requests. Kieren - suggest you send an enhan

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> See page 3, at the bottom, for two, three, and >> four measure rests. (I'm obliged to cite and give >> credit for the scans.} How can these be implemented >> without R2, R3, and R4? > > Assuming that staff is in 4/4 time (there is no time signature > cur

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Noeck
Am 20.03.2013 19:11, schrieb David Raleigh Arnold: > A way of indicating the number of > measures rested by a number in the score > should of course remain, but R2, R3, and > R4 should be implemented as shown on page 3. That is perfectly possible right now (and for a very long time): R1*2 R1*3 R

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > See page 3, at the bottom, for two, three, and > four measure rests. (I'm obliged to cite and give > credit for the scans.} How can these be implemented > without R2, R3, and R4? Assuming that staff is in 4/4 time (there is no time signature currently), then R1*2, R1*3, and R1*4 sho

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 22:54 +0800, James Harkins wrote: > I apologize for weighing in on the R shorthand thread by sending a new > message. I read the digest and normally reply to messages by gmane. > However, for some unknown reason, "R shorthand" seems to be missing > entirely from gmane. It exis

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 20 Mar 2013, at 17:03 , Nick Baskin wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kieren MacMillan > wrote: Hi James, All good points! > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) +1 Regards, Wim.

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Nick, > I'm not sure this would work, actually. If I understand correctly, R > currently behaves like any other LilyPond music event when it comes to > duration, i.e. unless otherwise specified, it takes the value of the > preceding note/rest. So if you had something like > > \time 2/4 > R2

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Baskin writes: > I'm not sure this would work, actually. If I understand correctly, R > currently behaves like any other LilyPond music event when it comes to > duration, i.e. unless otherwise specified, it takes the value of the > preceding note/rest. So if you had something like > > \time

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Nick Baskin
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi James, > > All good points! > > > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) > > Love it. > > Cheers, > Kieren. > >

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, All good points! > R2 (a full measure rest in 2/4 time) > R2*2 (two full measure rests in 2/4 time) > R*2 (two full measure rests in any meter) Love it. Cheers, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2013 16:25, schrieb James Harkins: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like tacet al

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread James Harkins
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time >> - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature > > Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like > > tacet al >|---

Re: User comments on R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> - Old: R2 == a full measure rest in 2/4 time > - New: R2 == *two* full measure rests in any time signature Actually, I like this. This would also help in situations like tacet al |--| > That breaks backward compatibility. convert-ly is your fr