Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Nick Payne
On 07/01/13 15:42, Shane Brandes wrote: All right. \override TrillSpanner #'extra-offset = #'(-1.3 . 0.0) causes the whole apparatus to move, but it also leaves the tail end shorter. Why not something like this: \version "2.17.9" beginPrallSpan = \tweak bound-details.left.text \markup

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Shane Brandes
All right. \override TrillSpanner #'extra-offset = #'(-1.3 . 0.0) causes the whole apparatus to move, but it also leaves the tail end shorter. Shane On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Shane Brandes wrote: > Agreed, a trifle to the left yet. I still need to fiddle with that but, I > still have

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Shane Brandes
Agreed, a trifle to the left yet. I still need to fiddle with that but, I still have a small number of other tiddly things to do before that gets hammered out. Shane On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Shane Brandes writes: > > > Inline image 1 > > > > So, being very pleased

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread David Kastrup
Shane Brandes writes: > Inline image 1 > > So, being very pleased with the result can someone turn this into a > snippet for the LSR. Doesn't it start too far to the right? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Shane Brandes
[image: Inline image 1] So, being very pleased with the result can someone turn this into a snippet for the LSR. thank you all, Shane On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Ed Gordijn wrote: > I see! Smart. > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypon

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Ed Gordijn
I see! Smart. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread David Kastrup
Ed Gordijn writes: > Hij David, Olivier, > >> That's what is called "syntax". > > And that was my mistake. I assumed I needed some grouping delimiter if > a statement is spanning multiple lines. I am still confused that it > isn't needed. What does terminate it, a blank line? It is finished whe

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-06 Thread Ed Gordijn
Hij David, Olivier, > That's what is called "syntax". And that was my mistake. I assumed I needed some grouping delimiter if a statement is spanning multiple lines. I am still confused that it isn't needed. What does terminate it, a blank line? Greetings, Ed _

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
Olivier Biot writes: > On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:28 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Olivier Biot writes: >> >> > Is this double meaning of curly braces documented somewhere? I did >> > not come across it in the online manuals so far. >> >> What double life? Within music, curly braces create sequ

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread Olivier Biot
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 12:28 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Olivier Biot writes: > > > Well, putting { ... } around it is wrong, for one thing: it turns > > the > > whole into sequential music. > > > > Bingo! > > > > This is the most counterintuitive syntactic element in LilyPond for > >

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
Olivier Biot writes: > Well, putting { ... } around it is wrong, for one thing: it turns > the > whole into sequential music. > > Bingo! > > This is the most counterintuitive syntactic element in LilyPond for > newcomers (after Scheme). In most programming languages, curly braces > ar

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread Olivier Biot
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:10 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Ed Gordijn writes: > > > Hi David, > >> Well, you need _two_ trill starting commands now (though you could > >> likely squeeze <>\startTrillSpan into \SetUpPrall), and you need to > >> spend more attention to detail to the overrides. > >> >

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
Ed Gordijn writes: > Hi David, >> Well, you need _two_ trill starting commands now (though you could >> likely squeeze <>\startTrillSpan into \SetUpPrall), and you need to >> spend more attention to detail to the overrides. >> >> So you likely contributed more time on this than I did. >> > I am s

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread Ed Gordijn
Hi David, Well, you need _two_ trill starting commands now (though you could likely squeeze <>\startTrillSpan into \SetUpPrall), and you need to spend more attention to detail to the overrides. So you likely contributed more time on this than I did. I am still in 2.16 and did try your tweaks bu

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
Ed Gordijn writes: > Still learning more than I can contribute. > > Just works fine in older version too: > > \version "2.16.0" > > > SetUpPrall = { > > \once \override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = \markup { > \fontsize #-5 \musicglyph #"accidentals.leftparen" } > > \once \overrid

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread Ed Gordijn
Hi all, Still learning more than I can contribute. Just works fine in older version too: \version "2.16.0" SetUpPrall = { \once \override TrillSpanner #'(bound-details left text) = \markup { \fontsize #-5 \musicglyph #"accidentals.leftparen" } \once \override TrillSpanner #'(bound-detai

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Payne writes: > On 05/01/13 14:27, Andrew Bernard wrote: >> On 5/01/13 2:02 PM, Nick Payne wrote: >>> You could use a left parenthesis and omit the upprall: >>> >>> \version "2.17.9" >>> >>> { c'-\tweak bound-details.left.text >>> \markup { \fontsize #-5 { \musicglyph >>> #"acc

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Nick Payne
On 05/01/13 14:27, Andrew Bernard wrote: On 5/01/13 2:02 PM, Nick Payne wrote: You could use a left parenthesis and omit the upprall: \version "2.17.9" { c'-\tweak bound-details.left.text \markup { \fontsize #-5 { \musicglyph #"accidentals.leftparen" } } \tweak bound-det

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Andrew Bernard
On 5/01/13 2:02 PM, Nick Payne wrote: You could use a left parenthesis and omit the upprall: \version "2.17.9" { c'-\tweak bound-details.left.text \markup { \fontsize #-5 { \musicglyph #"accidentals.leftparen" } } \tweak bound-details.left.stencil-offset #'(0.02 . -0.65)

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Nick Payne
On 05/01/13 11:32, Andrew Bernard wrote: Greetings list, This technique glues an upprall to a trill, but the difference in width of the glyphs is noticeable. Is there a way to achieve this without the discrepancy in width? Since lilypond produces the finest engraved output I know, can we do b

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Olivier Biot
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Greetings list, > > This technique glues an upprall to a trill, but the difference in width of > the glyphs is noticeable. Is there a way to achieve this without the > discrepancy in width? Since lilypond produces the finest engraved output I

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Andrew Bernard
Greetings list, This technique glues an upprall to a trill, but the difference in width of the glyphs is noticeable. Is there a way to achieve this without the discrepancy in width? Since lilypond produces the finest engraved output I know, can we do better than this for baroque engraving? A

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Shane Brandes writes: > Thank you Ed, > > That means I can take a number of text less trills back into the > trillspanner function. However that leaves yet the upprall, an up > prall or for that matter a down prall trill has an extra long initial > curved slash that tells you which neighbour, u

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Shane Brandes
Thank you Ed, That means I can take a number of text less trills back into the trillspanner function. However that leaves yet the upprall, an up prall or for that matter a down prall trill has an extra long initial curved slash that tells you which neighbour, upper or lower to start from as you

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-04 Thread Ed Gordijn
Hi Shane, I am not sure if this is what you are looking for. To me it looks like a normal triller. You can suppress the text if you want. \version "2.16.0" \relative c'' { bes4~\startTrillSpan bes8. a16\stopTrillSpan r2 % or without the text \once \override TrillSpanner #'(bound-detail

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2013-01-03 Thread Shane Brandes
Here is my solution to the aforementioned upprall trill spanner problem. I still think it could be vastly improved for two reasons. a.) the squiggles don't match in weight from the prall to the trill spanner line. b.) The values given for the extra-offset might by necessity be different in any give

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2012-12-28 Thread Shane Brandes
The title page says for Clavecin or Pianoforte. So therefore not the harmonium. In any event it is very idiomatically piano music. If the marking "pf" is a straightforward expressive mark why is it not hard coded into Lilypond? it has been necessary to construct it as a separate markup. As a s

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2012-12-27 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Shane Brandes writes: > >> The other question is purely musical. I have been working on a second >> half 18th or early 19th century piece (prior to 1822) and keep running >> across the dynamic marking "pf." I was wondering if anyone else has >> seen the "pf" marking in a

Re: Trill and nonstandard expressive mark

2012-12-27 Thread David Kastrup
Shane Brandes writes: > The other question is purely musical. I have been working on a second > half 18th or early 19th century piece (prior to 1822) and keep running > across the dynamic marking "pf." I was wondering if anyone else has > seen the "pf" marking in a piano score. Presumably it mean