Great news! Talking about pricing: How much does your current virtual server
cost? Maybe I can chime in something.
The flaws I personally see with the mailing list is that it is a bit hard to
organize. I think the mailing list is great as a discussion structure, but not
as a database for soluti
You can get various stats from Discourse. There are over 6.5K users who
have posted over the years and consequently have been created. An
amazing community.
Andrew
On 06/03/2023 02:52, David Kastrup wrote:
Andrew Bernard writes:
I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large
RAM. It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and
does not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Is it necessary to run the import on the
On Mon 06 Mar 2023 at 04:18:17 (+0100), David Kastrup wrote:
> Andrew Bernard writes:
>
> > Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> > that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> > you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to
> find out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system. M
But that is exactly my point. A system that does require much more resources
to set up is a bit fishy in my eyes.
Also my point still stands:
As far as I see discourse uses docker containers for deployment. Wouldn’t it
be possible to set up the container on a local machine, export the set up
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
> that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if
> you get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to
> find out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system. M
Well you can dynamically increase CPU or RAM or both on Digitalocean
that I use. You can do it on a temporary basis - but I'm not sure if you
get charged for a month or on a strict time basis, it's hard to find
out!. It's not a matter of needing a separate system. My only issue is
that I am ver
Andrew Bernard writes:
> I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large
> RAM. It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and
> does not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Is it necessary to run the import on the same machine that is going to
run the se
I should add that a normal fresh install does not require large RAM.
It's only the mbox import script. I think it's poorly written and does
not constrain itself when it comes to memory.
Andrew
On 6/03/2023 1:29 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote:
I suppose
No. You misunderstand. Discourse is quite compact. The 8GB of RAM is
only required temporarily for importing 20+ years worth of mbox files.
My Discourse servers all run fine in 2GB of RAM, with unlimited posts,
which are just in a database on disk.
On 6/03/2023 3:04 am, Valentin Petzel wrote:
Hello Andrew,
I suppose a system that requires by a large factor more resources for
installation that it requires to run is not really a good way to do it.
Renting an 8GB Server when you only need that 8GB for setup sounds a bit daft.
I do not know if renting a server dedicated to managing a ha
On 27/02/2023 09:58, Andrew Bernard wrote:
Not sure where my brain has been holidaying lately - I had the idea you
can't import mbox format lists into Discourse and even gave what I
thought were reasons you can't. This it totally wrong. Discourse does
have an import mechanism for loading mailin
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 1:59 AM Andrew Bernard
wrote:
>
> So I think I'll run up a Discourse server and load a substantial number
> of years of this list and then we can play with it to see. That will be
> better than me just talking about it.
>
Great idea! Although I've gotten used to it, using
Not sure where my brain has been holidaying lately - I had the idea you
can't import mbox format lists into Discourse and even gave what I
thought were reasons you can't. This it totally wrong. Discourse does
have an import mechanism for loading mailing lists.
So I think I'll run up a Discours
On 26/02/2023 06:21, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
simply, because, for example, the creation of users from 25 years
ago who most probably no longer have the same email addresses is
Werner LEMBERG writes:
> Andrew,
>
>
> thanks for your long reponse. I have to correct two of your
> statements:
>
>> But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
>> Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
>> simply, because, for example, the creation of us
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 11:02 +, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
> I suggest that you look at
>
>
> [https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=lilypond-user](https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=lilypond-user)
>
> AFAICS, this is much more than a 'simple
> I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
> exposed on the web in Discourse, [...]
I didn't say or imply that.
> but a post has to be associated with an account, and an account has
> to be verified by emailing the user, and the email is stored in
> their private profile
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 10:13 +0100, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
that you can post by email.
Sorry, of course I meant: post through the Web interface.
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To: Andrew Bernard , Lilypond User
Subject: Re: Discourse
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 19:40 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
And as a last gasp, I recall when I was running the GNU Mailman lists
that we had a web based interface to it which was half way decent. This
may only be supported with
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 06:21 +, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
> However, e-mail addresses
> shouldn't be exposed in the web interface (the already existing e-mail
> list archive doesn't do that either).
The existing archives do. If you visit
[https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 19:40 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> And as a last gasp, I recall when I was running the GNU Mailman lists
> that we had a web based interface to it which was half way decent. This
> may only be supported with GNU Mailman 3, I don't remember (we are on
> 2). I
Le dimanche 26 février 2023 à 19:40 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
> exposed on the web in Discourse, but a post has to be associated with an
> account, and an account has to be verified by emailing the user, and the
> email
I didn't go into detail, but I can assure you user emails are not
exposed on the web in Discourse, but a post has to be associated with an
account, and an account has to be verified by emailing the user, and the
email is stored in their private profile so they can, well, receive
email. The tech
Andrew,
thanks for your long reponse. I have to correct two of your
statements:
> But (contrary to a false statement I made about import into
> Discourse) you can't import mailbox format lists into Discourse
> simply, because, for example, the creation of users from 25 years
> ago who most pro
Some final thoughts, since we are not going to do this at this point.
With all the pushback I am seeing, I have little further interest in
giving my time and resources to implementing this. To a certain extent I
regret even bringing up the topic.
People should go back and read my posts as this
Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that
it's mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
Silent majority?
I always thought and still think the Email prefering fraction to be the
silent majority. But that's just my personal feeling and I do not have
data to base th
David Santamauro writes:
> Since we’re airing grievances …
>
> The format of the response below is exactly what bothers me most about
> email lists and why I favor forums. The etiquette is to quote what you
> are responding to and remove everything else. Imagine 4 other people
> quoted different
> I looked up the other list that moved to Discourse (I think they had
> the same Discourse/Discord confusion), but I remember that being
> sold strongly on the web interface. I was certainly left with the
> very strong impression email was a second class citizen.
As mentioned already: The most i
On 25/02/2023 13:34, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 16:56 +0330, Omid Mo'menzadeh a écrit :
Hi all,
Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find it
-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Discourse
> Additionally, I find value in the archived aspect of web fora in
> which all the discussions remain available in a very convenient
> manner.
If you look at the e-mail fields of any message you receive from the
list, you can see the following
> Additionally, I find value in the archived aspect of web fora in
> which all the discussions remain available in a very convenient
> manner.
If you look at the e-mail fields of any message you receive from the
list, you can see the following
List-Id: LilyPond user discussion
List-Unsubsc
This has been a fascinating discussion bringing up many aspects I would not
have thought about, having no background in mailing list administration or
managing an online forum. The discussion of blocked access in some countries
was eye-opening for me as I did not know that happened. Blockin
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 16:56 +0330, Omid Mo'menzadeh a écrit :
> Hi all,
> Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
> mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
> I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find its email interface
> good enough, ho
Hi all,
Speaking up as one of the silent majority on this topic, now that it's
mentioned, as I think I have two cents to add.
I personally wouldn't be against Discourse, as I find its email interface
good enough, however, there's something that does worry me about such a
migration. As I have pointe
Of course it's my opinion, shared by 30,000 other communities that have
selected it, which is not too bad.
Anyway, we are not doing this, so further discussion is pointless. I am
surprised by all the pushback.
Andrew
On 25/02/2023 8:51 pm, Paul Hodges wrote:
I guess that's your opinion -
Hi Andrew, Jean
Hi all (on and off thread)
I have followed this thread (and its predecessor re mailing list
configuration and easening admins' work) for days now.
First of all: Thanks sooo much to all of you who invest hours and hours
for Lilypond, the community, and all the infrastructure. It's
From: Jean Abou Samra
Did they switch from a mailing list, or from other forum/discussion software?
Other forum software; e.g. Steinberg previously used phpBB which they had set
up well (it's free and well-known, but a maintenance nightmare, as I know from
working with it). I've not tried
Le samedi 25 février 2023 à 09:51 +, Paul Hodges a écrit :
> **From: ** Andrew Bernard
>
> > I did a major investigation
> > of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
> > superior to all,
>
> I guess that's your opinion - however, my opinion is that th
From: Andrew Bernard
I did a major investigation
of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
superior to all,
I guess that's your opinion - however, my opinion is that the forums which I
follow that have switched to Discourse are less convenient to use as a resul
Whatever do you mean? If you read the thread I was freely offering my
time and resources to implement Discourse for lilypond, voluntarily.
Discourse is open source and free. There's no hint of anything
commercial here. You can have Discourse host your instance commercially,
but at no time have
Paid announcement
Al.
> On Feb 24, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Bernard
> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say lots, and neither for sure. I did a major investigation of
> other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is superior to
> all, and importantly it can be self hosted, and o
I wouldn't say lots, and neither for sure. I did a major investigation
of other free forum programs and it pretty clear that Discourse is
superior to all, and importantly it can be self hosted, and others
mostly do not have an email list function. Hence why so many
organizations are turning to
Le vendredi 24 février 2023 à 12:17 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> As an alternative to discourse, Google Groups? You might even be able to
> migrate the list email address across! Of course, that would bring its
> own headaches ...
That is pretty much a non-starter since Google Groups is prop
OK, I think we can drop the discourse on Discourse :-) I see that it is
too big a change for the users of this list. Running GNU Mailman 2 in
parallel with the list is not something I'm prepared to do, even though
it could just barely be made to work. It's a pity people object to this
newer tec
On 24/02/2023 10:39, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
It’s actually not the printing dialog, but a print version of the website.
The Print dialog opens on top of that. You can see this when you cancel the
print dialog - the popup is still there. Apparently, the print version is
constructed so differentl
Am Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:17:02AM +0100 schrieb Jean Abou Samra:
> Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 17:08 -0600, David Wright a écrit :
> > I just tried ^P on the same link in FF, and I got a bar that said:
> >
> > "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. [Preferences]
> > ×"
> >
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 15:14:08 (-0800), Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2023-02-23 3:08 pm, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> >
> > > > Many of the websites I interact with on a regular
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 17:08 -0600, David Wright a écrit :
> I just tried ^P on the same link in FF, and I got a bar that said:
>
> "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window. [Preferences] ×"
>
> What does it contain/is it for?
It contains a printing dialog. Try it, it won
You can set your preferences as you see fit. See previous post.
Andrew
On 24/02/2023 10:14 am, Aaron Hill wrote:
That's an overly aggressive pop-up blocker. Opening new pages for
printing is a pretty normal use case.
You have blocked popups in Firefox. It's not from the site. Printing a
page requires a popup dialog. At least my current version of Firefox
(111.0) has an Options button allowing you to handle this in whatever
way you want, which shows at the top of the page. Perhaps in your
version the button
On 2023-02-23 3:08 pm, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> Many of the websites I interact with on a regular basis (shopping, of
> course) have completely broken print interfaces, so
On Thu 23 Feb 2023 at 23:50:43 (+0100), Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> > Many of the websites I interact with on a regular basis (shopping, of
> > course) have completely broken print interfaces, so bad that one page of
> > interesting w
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 22:14 +, Wols Lists a écrit :
> On 22/02/2023 12:39, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>
> > My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
> > majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
> > encourage them to use the nice web interfa
One of the few web interfaces that seems pretty functional these days is
Google's with their "Enterprise" lineup (Email, Docs, Spreadsheets,
presentations, etc). They act like full-featured desktop apps and not
handicapped versions. Personally, I think the current email-based setup
works fine. I
On 22/02/2023 12:39, Andrew Bernard wrote:
My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
harpsichord.] The point is that it runs the web
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 08:09 -0600, Karlin High a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 7:52 AM Andrew Bernard
> <[andrew.bern...@mailbox.org](mailto:andrew.bern...@mailbox.org)> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
> > import such lists.
>
> I wa
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 7:52 AM Andrew Bernard
wrote:
> Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
> import such lists.
>
I was thinking more indirectly, with the only "interface" between them
being email:
* Every list email becomes a Discourse email-origin post
* Every
Sorry, it can't interface to GNU Mailman, although, as said, it can
import such lists.
Andrew
On 23/02/2023 12:48 am, Karlin High wrote:
If Discourse can be configured to simply provide a web interface for
the email list, I think that would be more of a restoration rather
than a change to the
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 7:12 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> a bridge with this list.
This existed in the past with Nabble.
If Discourse can be configured to simply provide a web interface for
the email list, I think that would be more of a restoration rather
than a change to the LilyPond community
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 23:39 +1100, Andrew Bernard a écrit :
> My offer is open.
Migrating and shutting down this mailing list would be a really,
*really* major change that would need broad discussion and approval
after quite some time of using the new Discourse server in parallel
to the m
I mean openlilylib.space not .org.
a
On 22/02/2023 11:39 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:
And of course, re openlilylib.org and it's associated Discourse
server, I created that and shut it down recently due to virtually
complete lack of interest.
My offer is open. For the main Discourse server I run, amusingly the
majority of people use the email interface, no matter how much I
encourage them to use the nice web interface. [It's a forum devoted to
harpsichord.] The point is that it runs the web interface and email list
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