Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 5 Nov 2016, at 00:03, David Wright wrote: >>> Mairi's Wedding is completely regular; it has five 8-bar >>> sections, which happens to sum to 40: >> >> But they have to play it A B A B B, where each letter is a 8-bar section. > > For that original tune, that's the usual sequence. But why "

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Fri 04 Nov 2016 at 21:09:20 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 4 Nov 2016, at 20:31, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Fri 04 Nov 2016 at 10:55:45 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 4 Nov 2016, at 03:21, David Wright wrote: > > > > (in a different timezone) > > > >>> My own experience of dan

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 4 Nov 2016, at 20:31, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Nov 2016 at 10:55:45 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: >> On 4 Nov 2016, at 03:21, David Wright wrote: > > (in a different timezone) > >>> My own experience of dancing is mainly >>> in the Scottish Country Dancing tradition, where such rhy

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Fri 04 Nov 2016 at 10:55:45 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > On 4 Nov 2016, at 03:21, David Wright wrote: (in a different timezone) > > My own experience of dancing is mainly > > in the Scottish Country Dancing tradition, where such rhythmic > > irregularities would be of no help at all. In a tra

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 4 Nov 2016, at 03:21, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 22:08:02 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 3 Nov 2016, at 21:28, David Wright wrote: >>> >>> On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 10:37:36 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:04, David Wright wrote: > >

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 19:50:05 (-0700), mclaren wrote: > Well, the 3's indicate 3:2 broken tuplets. There seems to be some controversy > over whether Tobin Chodos really wanted a single 3:2 eighth note at the end > of every measure. If he does, then the 3's are correct. Well, I don't perform music

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Hi all, Thanks for all the helpful info. A teacher of mine called them "interruplets" (interrupted tuplets). I think the clearest solution for my purposes is just: \compoundMeter #'((3 4) (1 12)). David's suggestion of 13/8 is workable but leads to problems with the music in question. I really

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Yes, I realized that. Thanks for the correction. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/compound-time-signature-with-non-duple-denominator-tp195829p196119.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Fri 04 Nov 2016 at 02:44:56 (+0100), Urs Liska wrote: > > > Am 04.11.2016 um 02:39 schrieb Urs Liska: > > > > Am 02.11.2016 um 19:10 schrieb Chris Yate: > >> particularly as it utterly confuses those players that don't know how > >> to parse it. > > Any musical notation utterly confuses those

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

LOL! Well said, Urs. As a practical matter, the musicians who perform Michael Gordon's broken tuplets don't seem confused by the notation. You can examples of this in "Four Kings Fight Five," "Yo, Shakespeare!" and many other pieces by Gordon. -- View this message in context: http://lilypond

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Well, the 3's indicate 3:2 broken tuplets. There seems to be some controversy over whether Tobin Chodos really wanted a single 3:2 eighth note at the end of every measure. If he does, then the 3's are correct. If he doesn't, then the question was unclear and we're answering something that wasn't as

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

David remarked: >"One triplet eighth note" defines a duration of time (which the OP > appeared to get wrong in any case). One note cannot form a triplet. Sure it can. They're called broken tuplets, and lots of composers use 'em. Michael Gordon uses broken tuplets all the time. So does Mikel Rou

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 22:08:02 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 3 Nov 2016, at 21:28, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 10:37:36 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > >> > >>> On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:04, David Wright wrote: > >>> > > The only 13/8 I can recall off-hand is an uncomp

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Am 04.11.2016 um 02:39 schrieb Urs Liska: > > Am 02.11.2016 um 19:10 schrieb Chris Yate: >> particularly as it utterly confuses those players that don't know how >> to parse it. > Any musical notation utterly confuses those players that don't know how > to parse it. Actually you could extend that

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Am 04.11.2016 um 01:56 schrieb mclaren: > Oops. Unless I'm mistaken, 4 + 1 triplet eighth note would be 4 + 1/6, not 4 > + 1/3. You *are* mistaken. 4 quarters + 1 triplet eight is 4/4 + 1/12. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https:

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 18:00:59 (-0700), mclaren wrote: > "Wouldn't that rather be (4 + 2/3)/4?" > > Yes, I think you're right. 1/3 is presumably half of the value of a triplet > quarter note, so 1 triplet eighth note. I've corrected that in my second > Lilypond example. My bad. > > Change the "6"

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Am 02.11.2016 um 19:10 schrieb Chris Yate: > particularly as it utterly confuses those players that don't know how > to parse it. Any musical notation utterly confuses those players that don't know how to parse it. Actually you could extend that to written text as well.

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 17:13:14 (-0700), mclaren wrote: > I have an even more diabolical question, related to the one at the start of > this thread. > > But let me first answer the original question, which was: "Is there a way to > implement a non-binary time signature like 4 + 1/3?" I think I kno

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Yes, Thomas Ades and Brian Ferneyhough and Kyle Gann and many others have written music in non-binary meters like 7/6 and 21/10 and so on. This is hardly unusual nowadays. In fact, these kinds of meters go all the way back to Henry Cowell's "New Musical Resources," written in 1930, though Cowell us

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

"Wouldn't that rather be (4 + 2/3)/4?" Yes, I think you're right. 1/3 is presumably half of the value of a triplet quarter note, so 1 triplet eighth note. I've corrected that in my second Lilypond example. My bad. Change the "6" denominator in my new Lilypond code to a 3 to get the meter to displ

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Tobin Chodos mentioned: "That is, the measure is four quarter notes long plus one triplet eighth note." Oops. Unless I'm mistaken, 4 + 1 triplet eighth note would be 4 + 1/6, not 4 + 1/3. My Lilypond code was based on the assumption that you had 4 quarter notes + 1 triplet quarter note. Here's t

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On 04/11/2016 01:13, mclaren wrote: > This seems like an entirely valid question. 1/3 would be a single triplet > note, right? That is, if we're dealing with (4 + 1/3)/4, then what we want > is 4 quarter notes + 1 triplet quarter note, correct? Wouldn't that be rather (4 + 2/3)/4? -- Not the act

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

I have an even more diabolical question, related to the one at the start of this thread. But let me first answer the original question, which was: "Is there a way to implement a non-binary time signature like 4 + 1/3?" I think I know a way to do this. This seems like an entirely valid question.

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 3 Nov 2016, at 21:28, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 10:37:36 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:04, David Wright wrote: >>> > The only 13/8 I can recall off-hand is an uncomplicated 6/4+1/8. >>> Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not familiar with these

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Thu 03 Nov 2016 at 10:37:36 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:04, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 22:13:54 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > >> > >>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 21:08, David Wright wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 20:10:39 (+0100), Hans Åberg

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 3 Nov 2016, at 03:04, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 22:13:54 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 21:08, David Wright wrote: >>> >>> On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 20:10:39 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:48, David Wright wrote: >

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 22:13:54 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 2 Nov 2016, at 21:08, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 20:10:39 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > >> > >>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:48, David Wright wrote: > >>> > >>> On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22:00 (-0700), Tobin Cho

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 21:08, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 20:10:39 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:48, David Wright wrote: >>> >>> On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22:00 (-0700), Tobin Chodos wrote: Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but:

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 20:10:39 (+0100), Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:48, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22:00 (-0700), Tobin Chodos wrote: > >> Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but: is there a way to > >> define a time compound time sign

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 19:02, tisimst wrote: > > ... as Kieren and I saw on a facebook group the other day when a composer > started a discussion about having a bar with an "irrational" 2/6 time > signature. Wow, the flames that ensued! It's quite simple: > > { \time 2/6 \tuplet 3/2 { c'4 c' } }

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:48, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22:00 (-0700), Tobin Chodos wrote: >> Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but: is there a way to >> define a time compound time signature such as 4/4 + 1/3? That is, the >> measure is four quarter note

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 at 18:03 tisimst wrote: > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kieren MacMillan [via Lilypond] <[hidden > email] > wrote: > > It's *legitimate* in all musical circles, though it's not *embraced* by > all. > > ... as Kieren and I

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kieren MacMillan [via Lilypond] < ml-node+s1069038n196008...@n5.nabble.com> wrote: > It's *legitimate* in all musical circles, though it's not *embraced* by > all. > ... as Kieren and I saw on a facebook group the other day when a composer started a discussion abou

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

David Wright writes: > On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 12:49:07 (-0400), kieren_macmillan kieren_macmillan > wrote: > > > I guess I had expected a reference/url/scan rather than "yes". Zere is some music notation zat makes me 'url. -- David Kastrup ___ lily

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Wed 02 Nov 2016 at 12:49:07 (-0400), kieren_macmillan kieren_macmillan wrote: I guess I had expected a reference/url/scan rather than "yes". I realise that all sorts of "odd" notations were around in preclassical times, But wouldn't claim to understand them. Does the example I've given correc

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Hi David, It's *legitimate* in all musical circles, though it's not *embraced* by all. Cheers,Kieren. -- Original Message --From: David Wright Date: November 2, 2016 at 12:45 PMOn Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 21:13:57 (+0200), Noeck wrote:> > Forgive me if this is a too-easy is

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 21:13:57 (+0200), Noeck wrote: > > Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but: is there a way > > to define a time compound time signature such as 4/4 + 1/3? That is, > > the measure is four quarter notes long plus one triplet eighth note. > > this is definitel

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On 28.10.2016 21:50, Noeck wrote: Btw, having the new list syntax in mind I wondered whether this would work in recent development versions: \compoundMeter 4/4,1/3 But it does not the 4/4 translates to (4 . 4) and not (4 4). \compoundMeter (4,4),(1,3) does not work either. Can this list syntax

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

Btw, having the new list syntax in mind I wondered whether this would work in recent development versions: \compoundMeter 4/4,1/3 But it does not the 4/4 translates to (4 . 4) and not (4 4). \compoundMeter (4,4),(1,3) does not work either. Can this list syntax be grouped somehow? I mean in a way

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

On Fri 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22:00 (-0700), Tobin Chodos wrote: > Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but: is there a way to > define a time compound time signature such as 4/4 + 1/3? That is, the > measure is four quarter notes long plus one triplet eighth note. Isn't this just 13/8

Re: compound time signature with non duple denominator

> Forgive me if this is a too-easy issue for the list, but: is there a way > to define a time compound time signature such as 4/4 + 1/3? That is, > the measure is four quarter notes long plus one triplet eighth note. Hi Tobin, this is definitely a valid question for this list! This snippet will

RE: Compound time signature

Reinhold, )-Original Message- )From: Reinhold Kainhofer [mailto:reinh...@kainhofer.com] )Sent: 01 June 2011 12:15 )To: lilypond-user@gnu.org )Cc: Paul Scott; James Lowe )Subject: Re: Compound time signature ) )Am Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2011, 13:13:04 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer: )> Am Mittw

Re: Compound time signature

Am Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2011, 13:13:04 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer: > Am Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2011, 07:58:39 schrieb Paul Scott: > > No. I need for example: > > > > 3/4 6/8 <3/4 bar> <6/8 bar> <3/4 bar> <6/8 > > bar> etc. > > > > A classic example is "America" from "West Side Story" The parts I wa

Re: Compound time signature

Am Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2011, 07:58:39 schrieb Paul Scott: > No. I need for example: > > 3/4 6/8 <3/4 bar> <6/8 bar> <3/4 bar> <6/8 > bar> etc. > > A classic example is "America" from "West Side Story" The parts I was > reworking for a show were from "Man of La Mancha" There were already some

Re: Compound time signature

sage- )From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org )[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On )Behalf Of Paul Scott )Sent: 01 May 2011 20:15 )To: lilypond-user@gnu.org )Subject: Re: Compound time signature ) )On 04/30/2011 10:24 AM, Thomas Scharkowski wrote

Re: Compound time signature

On 6/1/2011 6:30 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2011/6/1 Paul Scott > No. I need for example: 3/4 6/8 <3/4 bar> <6/8 bar> <3/4 bar> <6/8 bar> etc. I remember that i saw something like that done in Lily, but i cannot find it :( I found this in archiv

Re: Compound time signature

2011/6/1 Paul Scott > > No. I need for example: > > 3/4 6/8 <3/4 bar> <6/8 bar> <3/4 bar> <6/8 > bar> etc. > I remember that i saw something like that done in Lily, but i cannot find it :( I found this in archives: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-08/msg00260.html maybe w

Re: Compound time signature

: Compound time signature ) )On 04/30/2011 10:24 AM, Thomas Scharkowski wrote: )> Hi, )> )>I try to print a compound time signature using this construction: ) )Is there a way to generate a (complex?) time signature that indicates bars )alternating between two different time signatures? I

RE: Compound time signature

Paul, )-Original Message- )From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org )[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On )Behalf Of Paul Scott )Sent: 01 May 2011 20:15 )To: lilypond-user@gnu.org )Subject: Re: Compound time signature ) )On 04/30/2011 10:24

Re: Compound time signature

On 04/30/2011 10:24 AM, Thomas Scharkowski wrote: Hi, I try to print a compound time signature using this construction: Is there a way to generate a (complex?) time signature that indicates bars alternating between two different time signatures? I have seen this in several band pieces as

Re: Compound time signature

...and could I get rid of the "+" \compondMeter uses somehow? Thomas Original-Nachricht Thanks, I had searched the doc for "Compound time signature", but not far enough ;-) Thomas Original-Nachricht Am Samstag, 30. April 2011, um 19:45:54 schrieb Phil

Re: Compound time signature

Thanks, I had searched the doc for "Compound time signature", but not far enough ;-) Thomas Original-Nachricht Am Samstag, 30. April 2011, um 19:45:54 schrieb Phil Holmes: - Original Message - From: "Thomas Scharkowski" I try to print a compound time signature

Re: Compound time signature

Am Samstag, 30. April 2011, um 19:45:54 schrieb Phil Holmes: > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Scharkowski" > > I try to print a compound time signature using this construction: > > Is this any help?: > > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=743 I should mention that in the 2.3.x

Re: Compound time signature

- Original Message - From: "Thomas Scharkowski" To: "lilypond-user" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:24 PM Subject: Compound time signature Hi, I try to print a compound time signature using this construction: -- \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = #ly:text-interface:

Re: Compound time signature in early music

Apologies for the earlier errant message; most of the original message disappeared in transit it seems. As I don't know Scheme very well, I need assistance with the following problem. I would like to create a compound time signature, but with one of the columns consisting only of a time si

Re: Compound time signature in early music

On 17.01.2010, at 20:30, M. E. wrote: As I don't know Scheme very well I need assistance with this problem ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user This is a wonderful example of a ba

Re: compound time signature with split measure

Hi, Mats: I think it's great that LilyPond is able to typeset it anyway, using the relatively easy solution I sent earlier today. Don't you agree? I know *I* do! =) Thanks for the tip -- I rolled it in with the docs example, and it works perfectly. Best, Kieren.

Re: compound time signature with split measure

Please always remember - there are two main methods to get a specific feature added to LilyPond, either implement it yourself or sponsor Han-Wen to do it. As far as I can remember, this was the first time over the 10 years that LilyPond has existed, that anybody has requested the 6+5/8 layout.

Re: compound time signature with split measure

On 4/9/06, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideally, LilyPond should support all possible notations that anybody > ever want to use. :-) > Seriously, the Tips and Tricks document contains an example > compound-time.ly, which provides a small function to typeset > time signatures of the f

Re: compound time signature with split measure

Ideally, LilyPond should support all possible notations that anybody ever want to use. :-) Seriously, the Tips and Tricks document contains an example compound-time.ly, which provides a small function to typeset time signatures of the form 6/8 + 5/8. If you or anybody else comes up with a simila

Re: compound time signature with split measure

On 8-Apr-06, at 12:38 PM, Dave K. wrote: Well, then you have to figure out how to typeset the time signature you want, using text markup. Is this really ideal? Wouldn't it be better for Lilypond to be able to typeset these kinds of time signatures? They're not as uncommon as you might think.

Re: compound time signature with split measure

Hi, Mats: The bar numbering shouldn't be any problem, since if you insert a \bar ":", it won't affect the bar numbering. Good to know -- thanks! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lil

Re: compound time signature with split measure

> Well, then you have to figure out how to typeset the > time signature you want, using text markup. Is this really ideal? Wouldn't it be better for Lilypond to be able to typeset these kinds of time signatures? They're not as uncommon as you might think. There are several styles: 6+5 / 8 6/8 +

Re: compound time signature with split measure

Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote: [ Lilypond 2.8 ; Mac OS X ] Hello, all! What's the easiest way to engrave a compound time signature (CTS) like "2+3 / 4" and split the measure (i.e., with a dotted barline)? Unfortunately, the example CTS hack outputs "2/4 + 3/4" (not what I want), Well