Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-09 Thread Henrik Frisk
I agree with you, but it seems to me that the terms you use, 'functionality' and 'looks' got mixed up in this thread. With the latest revision of 2.7.9 I think the functionality aspect is pretty close to 'good' as far as I can tell. /henrik Bec and John Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Hen

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-06 Thread Bec and John Silva
Hi Henrik,It does seem that maybe trying to accommodate everyone's preference is a lost cause. Customisability should definitely be present.However, ties/slurs should "function" first and look beautiful second! :) With 2.7.7 I've been forced to not avoid some problems because they are too serious (

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-06 Thread Henrik Frisk
Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, AFAIK engraving conventions are: > > > >* outer ties point outward > >* double directions for seconds > >* direction otherwise determined by vertical position. > > This is correct, but doesn't work in cluster-like chords. > > Here

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-06 Thread Steve D
"Werner LEMBERG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, regarding ties and rules for their placement in chords: Here are my rules again for reference: sequentially from top to bottom: + The topmost tie is always `up'. + If there is a vertical gap to the last note above larger than or equal

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Well, AFAIK engraving conventions are: > >* outer ties point outward >* double directions for seconds >* direction otherwise determined by vertical position. This is correct, but doesn't work in cluster-like chords. Here are my rules again for reference: sequentially from top to

Re: tie behavior (was: New slur/tie behaviour)

2005-09-05 Thread Steve D
Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, regarding general default tie rules or behavior: Well, AFAIK engraving conventions are: * outer ties point outward * double directions for seconds * direction otherwise determined by vertical position. --- --- Piano is my instrument, and as a

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-05 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Werner LEMBERG wrote: IIRC, I've sent an algorithm to the list a few years ago whether ties should go up or down, depending on the vertical structure of a chord. Maybe you can dig it out, and perhaps it helps in providing some constraints. IIRC, it was the algorithm that was present before I r

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > IIRC, I've sent an algorithm to the list a few years ago whether > > ties should go up or down, depending on the vertical structure of > > a chord. Maybe you can dig it out, and perhaps it helps in > > providing some constraints. > > IIRC, it was the algorithm that was present before I rewrot

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Werner LEMBERG wrote: IIRC, I've sent an algorithm to the list a few years ago whether ties should go up or down, depending on the vertical structure of a chord. Maybe you can dig it out, and perhaps it helps in providing some constraints. IIRC, it was the algorithm that was present before I re

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Trevor Bača wrote: Pregenerated tables included as part of the distribution (where the large combinatorial spaces have already been searched ahead of time)? Then do single lookups against the "known good table of optimal tie configurations" during interpretation? I think that would be problem

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > A tie, regardless of being short or long, must not be placed > > completely between two staff lines if the notes are also between > > the same two lines. > > It depends. I think it should, but only in crowded situations. Yes. > The number of TCCs is binom(M, #ties). A chord spanning a singl

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/4/05, Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >>I just type-set a piece using version 2.7.7 and this piece also > >>had some ties in it. In this example I thought the new behavior was > >>a bit odd as I have two ties in a row but they are longer note > >>valu

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-09-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Werner LEMBERG wrote: I just type-set a piece using version 2.7.7 and this piece also had some ties in it. In this example I thought the new behavior was a bit odd as I have two ties in a row but they are longer note values and should they not appear at the same level? I noticed that the chan

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-08-31 Thread Steve D
- Original Message - From: "Walter Hofmeister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New slur/tie behaviour I agree, I don't recall seeing a printed edition where the ties or slurs begin and end on the same staff space if the note is in a space, or on the line t

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-08-31 Thread Steve D
Trevor Baca wrote: I agree. Although I have no idea how to verbally state a better rule ... maybe something like "consecutive ties between like pitches should appear at like vertical positions" ... ? --- --- To me that seems like it would be a good default behavior. In addition, although I a

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-08-31 Thread Trevor Bača
On 8/31/05, Werner LEMBERG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just type-set a piece using version 2.7.7 and this piece also > > had some ties in it. In this example I thought the new behavior was > > a bit odd as I have two ties in a row but they are longer note > > values and should they not ap

Re: New slur/tie behaviour

2005-08-31 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I just type-set a piece using version 2.7.7 and this piece also > had some ties in it. In this example I thought the new behavior was > a bit odd as I have two ties in a row but they are longer note > values and should they not appear at the same level? I noticed that > the change-log gives

New slur/tie behaviour

2005-08-30 Thread Walter Hofmeister
Hi All, I just type-set a piece using version 2.7.7 and this piece also had some ties in it. In this example I thought the new behavior was a bit odd as I have two ties in a row but they are longer note values and should they not appear at the same level? I noticed that the change-log gives an