Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:50:33 +0100 John Mandereau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMHO "quarter-flat/sharp" is non-sense and sounds ugly when speaking > of quarter-tones, and it looks like from emails in this thread that > "half-sharp" is rarely used. "quarter-tone flat/sharp" is most > meaningful a

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread John Mandereau
Le jeudi 24 janvier 2008 à 09:11 -0500, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : > When I speak with musicians, I almost always say "a quarter-tone > flat" -- I rarely (if ever) say "a half-flat" or "a quarter-flat". > But maybe that's just me... IMHO "quarter-flat/sharp" is non-sense and sounds ugly when spe

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi y'all, "Half-flat" perfectly makes sense, as a flat is a semi-tone and we want to name a quarter tone i.e. a half of a half tone). However, "quarter-flat" may have been already too much used to allow using anything else... When I speak with musicians, I almost always say "a quarter-tone

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-24 Thread John Mandereau
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2008 à 10:55 -0800, Graham Percival a écrit : > > > 2008/1/22, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > I agree; I've never encountered the term "half-flats". But maybe > > > > it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the > > > > appropriate terms in Du

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:34:30 -0500 "Palmer, Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I noticed an issue regarding the "See also" on the TODO list: > > - all the commands like @seealso use a @subsubheading, but they > appear as the same size as the @unnumberedsubsubsec headings (as > you would exp

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:08:23 -0600 "Trevor Ba__a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 AM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > 2008/1/22, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I agree; I've never encountered the term "half-flats". But maybe > > > it's a Eu

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Ralph Little
Perhaps the quarter/half thing is a confusion of terms? If you look at flats and sharps as semi- or half-tones then a half of one of those could be reasonably termed quarter-tones. I've not seen a "quarter flat" but I have seen the term "quarter tone" Ralph

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Trevor Bača
On Jan 23, 2008 2:39 AM, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/1/22, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I agree; I've never encountered the term "half-flats". But maybe > > it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the > > appropriate terms in Dutch or French or s

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-23 Thread Valentin Villenave
2008/1/22, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree; I've never encountered the term "half-flats". But maybe > it's a European thing? (or a poor translation from the > appropriate terms in Dutch or French or something?) Please do not *always* assume that because something is weird, it mus

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-22 Thread Palmer, Ralph
Hi, Graham - I noticed an issue regarding the "See also" on the TODO list: - all the commands like @seealso use a @subsubheading, but they appear as the same size as the @unnumberedsubsubsec headings (as you would expect). Fix somehow. I had noticed that, and wondered if adding a blank lin

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-22 Thread Damian leGassick
half-flat? half-sharp? honestly i've never encountered this expression in english in europe or US with any ensemble or composer i've been involved with (and i've directed and recorded a lot of microtonal music...branca, kline, scelsi, nono, xenakis, ziporyn) d On 22 Jan 2008, at 07:28,

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:16:51 -0600 "Trevor Ba__a" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Umm, can we check something here? Please, that's the whole point of this. >"Half-flats and half-sharps are formed by adding eh and ih; ..." > ... which sounds absoutely crazy to me and should instead read ... >

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Trevor Bača
On Jan 21, 2008 3:15 AM, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, that was humbling. I honestly thought that NR 1.1 Pitches > was almost perfect, but the comments (thank you!) from last time > clearly indicated otherwise. When I tried to read the material > with a fresh mind (aided by

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:36:32 +0100 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > Not true; with = the d's octave is changed; with \octave the d's > > octave is not changed. > > > No! The difference is that = modifies the pitch on the current note, > whereas the \octave

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:24:22 +0100 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. - The text in "Octav

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:24:22 +0100 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave > > check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. > > > - The text in "Octave corrections and checks" is

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: Some sections have been completely rewritten (particularly Octave check). Please read the new Pitches section and send comments. - The text in "Octave corrections and checks" is contradictory. First it says that "an octave check does not change the pitch", then it s

GDP: NR 1.1 Pitches vastly improved, more comments sought

2008-01-21 Thread Graham Percival
Well, that was humbling. I honestly thought that NR 1.1 Pitches was almost perfect, but the comments (thank you!) from last time clearly indicated otherwise. When I tried to read the material with a fresh mind (aided by the comments), I found many, many things to fix. As always, GDP here: http:/