Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-17 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, >> you might be true in this special case, but I (in my personal view) >> consider this to be inconsistent. And that is why: >> Csus2 = >> Cadd9 = >> Csus4 = >> Cadd11 = > I think you misread Kieren's comment. > He was suggesting add2 as a clearer alternative to add9. > Not sus2, but

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-17 Thread Jan Kohnert
Hi, Am , schrieb Johan Vromans: On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:52 +0100 Jan Kohnert wrote: Version 2 whould probably be read more quickly and correct by Jazz musicians, version 1 is more "correct" for a non-expert, I doubt this. Even a non-expert needs to know a few basic things. E.g., C is a

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-17 Thread Amelie Zapf
Dear Elaine, > In terms of the latter musical context, the add9 is ambiguous, since it > leaves open the question of whether the chord functions as a dominant or > not. Yes, we all understand that when you write add9 you don't want to > hear a 7th. But that does not mean that in the tonal musica

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-16 Thread Johan Vromans
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:33:52 +0100 Jan Kohnert wrote: > Version 2 whould probably be read more quickly and correct by Jazz > musicians, version 1 is more "correct" for a non-expert, I doubt this. Even a non-expert needs to know a few basic things. E.g., C is a major triad. Cm is minor triad. 7

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-16 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
> From: Jan Kohnert > To: Lilypond-User Mailing List > Subject: Re: Chord names broken since 2.16 > > Am , schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > > Hi all, > > > >> add9 is different from sus2, as add11 is different from sus4 > > > > Really? In the musica

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-16 Thread Jan Kohnert
Hi, (all examples in C major for reading purposes, and German notation, so h(German)=b(English), and b(German)=(b-flat(English)) Am , schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi all, add9 is different from sus2, as add11 is different from sus4 Really? In the musical theatre world, "add9” rarely (if ever

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-16 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > add9 is different from sus2, as add11 is different from sus4 Really? In the musical theatre world, "add9” rarely (if ever) appears; the preferred notation is “add2” (which, as a side benefit, makes sight reading things like “C9” even faster and less error-prone). > Nothing I ever saw

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Jan Kohnert
Am , schrieb Thomas Morley: 2015-03-15 14:19 GMT+01:00 Amelie Zapf : Though, I can easily imagine situations where is dominant or subdominant or tonic, depends on the surrounding circumstances. True. But the reverse doesn't hold. So far, I'd agree Again, I disagree here. Correct ChordNa

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Johan Vromans
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:39:23 +0100 Thomas Morley wrote: > And that's the reason why 'additionalPitchPrefix' was changed. Sounds fair. But the bottom line is that two different ordinary chords and are both named "C9" and hence loose the distinction. c:7.9 and c:5.9 are much more common than c

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Jan Kohnert
Hello, Am , schrieb Amelie Zapf: problem solved: \set Score.additionalPitchPrefix = "add" does the trick. However, this should be default behavior, because C9 and Cadd9 are just not the same thing, but describe chords with vastly different harmonic function. seems we all stumble about that on

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi again, please always reply to all ;) 2015-03-15 14:19 GMT+01:00 Amelie Zapf : > Hi Thomas, > > > Though, I can easily imagine situations where is dominant or > > subdominant or tonic, depends on the surrounding circumstances. > > True. But the reverse doesn't hold. > So far, I'd agree > >

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi Amelie, 2015-03-15 10:57 GMT+01:00 Amelie Zapf : > Dear lilypond-user team, > > starting with LilyPond 2.16, and on into 2.18, the chord naming > algorithm does not distinguish between a chord and d'> in relative notation. Both are named "C9". Yep. The 'additionalPitchPrefix' was changed to

Re: Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Amelie Zapf
Dear lilypond-user team, problem solved: \set Score.additionalPitchPrefix = "add" does the trick. However, this should be default behavior, because C9 and Cadd9 are just not the same thing, but describe chords with vastly different harmonic function. Regards, Amy -- Dr. Amelie Zapf (a...@ame

Chord names broken since 2.16

2015-03-15 Thread Amelie Zapf
Dear lilypond-user team, starting with LilyPond 2.16, and on into 2.18, the chord naming algorithm does not distinguish between a chord and in relative notation. Both are named "C9". This is wrong, since functionally, the former is a dominant, the latter a tonic, so there must be a distinction b