Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Yoon writes: > There are certainly many options to explore, many of them quite simple. At > any rate, over the next few days I'll take a crack at something and see > what people think. Should future discussions about this belong in the dev > mailing list? Apologies if this is the wrong pla

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Andrew Yoon
There are certainly many options to explore, many of them quite simple. At any rate, over the next few days I'll take a crack at something and see what people think. Should future discussions about this belong in the dev mailing list? Apologies if this is the wrong place... On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Abraham Lee
On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Urs Liska wrote: > > > Am 21. August 2016 20:58:57 MESZ, schrieb Abraham Lee < > tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com >: > >On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Andrew Yoon > wrote: > > > >> My thoughts exactly. I don't think any drastic change would be called > >for, > >> I suspect vir

RE: that acciaccatura issue (minimal example)

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
David, Thank you for your reasoned reply. Your comments indicate you understand my conundrum. If I use a model from the learning manual (2.18) and something does not work, I do not know what to eliminate. In the past some of my inquiries have garnered more than one solution. I do not know w

RE: that acciaccatura issue (minimal example)

2016-08-21 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
> Simon, > > Since I am not a power user as some on this list are, please indicate what > I > should leave out. > The indication of a Piano Staff? > The key and time signatures? > The indication of two explicit voices in the "upper" staff? > The inclusion of the "\grace s8" in two of the other voic

RE: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Simon, That you for your courteous response. The problem is all mine. I do not know the intricacies of Lilypond and therefore am unable to distinguish what code can be eliminated to create a "minimal." I recall my time in fourth semester calculus. The textbook would present a solution, usually wit

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 21.08.2016 23:53, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: The time and knowledge that you spent on my inquiry indicates a real, and appreciated, desire to assist. Several times in the past I have sought aid from this list. Every "trouble" was quickly and clearly resolved. Never have I experienced such a

RE: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Thomas Morley, Thank you for your extensive and detailed reply. The time and knowledge that you spent on my inquiry indicates a real, and appreciated, desire to assist. Several times in the past I have sought aid from this list. Every "trouble" was quickly and clearly resolved. Never have I exp

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Urs Liska
Am 21. August 2016 20:58:57 MESZ, schrieb Abraham Lee : >On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Andrew Yoon wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly. I don't think any drastic change would be called >for, >> I suspect virtually everything that would be productive could be >handled >> purely in CSS. Maybe something

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-08-21 19:59 GMT+02:00 Mark Stephen Mrotek : > Simon, > > Since I am not a power user as some on this list are, please indicate what I > should leave out. > The indication of a Piano Staff? > The key and time signatures? > The indication of two explicit voices in the "upper" staff? > The inclus

Re: Keep alive together - call for use cases

2016-08-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 08/21/2016 06:26 PM, Mark Knoop wrote: I've just submitted an additional patch which I think addresses the uses raised by Mats, Kieren and Abraham. See attached ly and pdf files. Comments, particularly on usability, appreciated. Looks good! The possibility to group staves seems intuitive.

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Abraham Lee
On Sunday, August 21, 2016, Andrew Yoon wrote: > My thoughts exactly. I don't think any drastic change would be called for, > I suspect virtually everything that would be productive could be handled > purely in CSS. Maybe something more in line with the design of > http://lilypondblog.org/ ? But

RE: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
David, Thank you for your information. Had you looked at my snippet (attached again) you would have seen that I used "\grace s8" in the other two voices. The problem still exists. Thank you for your kind attention. Mark -Original Message-- From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] Sent: S

RE: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Simon, Since I am not a power user as some on this list are, please indicate what I should leave out. The indication of a Piano Staff? The key and time signatures? The indication of two explicit voices in the "upper" staff? The inclusion of the "\grace s8" in two of the other voices? The pitches a

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 21.08.2016 19:18, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: A minimal example was attached. No it wasn’t. There were lots of stuff in it that have nothing to do with the problem. Please (re)read carefully, and do as it says. Yours, Simon ___

RE: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Simon, Thank you for your reply and admonition. A minimal example was attached. I have change the "acciaccatura" in the second voice and in the lower staff. You can see in the attached snippet that the problem still exists. Thank you for your kind attention. Mark -Original Message- Fro

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
"Mark Stephen Mrotek" writes: > Hello, > > > > When an acciaccatura (or grace) is attached to the first pitch of one of > several voices, the other voices must also have one of the same duration - > usually with a "s" pitch. > > How do I attach an acciaccatura to a rest? (Please see attached sn

Re: that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hi Mark, _always_ make a minimal example in such a case. If you had done so, you might have realised that the problem is the \key statement outside the explicit voices: % << \new Staff << %\key bes \major \new Voice { \key bes \major \acciaccatura a'8 bes

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: >>> Because the Web site looks like it has been left to decay since the >>> time when that design style was current, viewers are inclined to >>> think the software may be in a similar condition. >> >> +1 >> >> That’s definitely one reason — maybe the main one — but there a

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca writes: > On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, David Kastrup wrote: >> Uh, how does "dated appearance" (acl of animated content and flashiness, >> color schemes of last season?) equate to "not very reassuring welcome"? > > Because the Web site looks like it has been left to decay since th

that acciaccatura issue

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Hello, When an acciaccatura (or grace) is attached to the first pitch of one of several voices, the other voices must also have one of the same duration - usually with a "s" pitch. How do I attach an acciaccatura to a rest? (Please see attached snippet.) Thank you for your kind attention.

Re: Keep alive together - call for use cases

2016-08-21 Thread Mark Knoop
At 21:13 on 19 Aug 2016, David Kastrup wrote: >Mark Knoop writes: >> Hi Mats, >> >> How does the attached look to you? Note I have moved the >> Keep_alive_together_engraver to the GrandStaff level so that the vln >> I and vln II groups can work independently. The problem now is >> making the syste

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Because the Web site looks like it has been left to decay since the >> time when that design style was current, viewers are inclined to >> think the software may be in a similar condition. > > +1 > > That’s definitely one reason — maybe the main one — but there are > many others, of course. >

Re: Keep alive together - call for use cases

2016-08-21 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 08/19/2016 08:16 PM, Mark Knoop wrote: At 18:02 on 19 Aug 2016, Mats Bengtsson wrote: >I recently typeset a concerto grosso from the baroque period, where >the solo and tutti parts are identical during long sections and then >they differ for some bars, every here and there. When entering th

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, >> Uh, how does "dated appearance" (acl of animated content and flashiness, >> color schemes of last season?) equate to "not very reassuring welcome"? > > Because the Web site looks like it has been left to decay since the time > when that design style was current, viewers are inclined to

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Andrew Yoon
My thoughts exactly. I don't think any drastic change would be called for, I suspect virtually everything that would be productive could be handled purely in CSS. Maybe something more in line with the design of http://lilypondblog.org/ ? But then again, I'm no designer. On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 10:

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread mskala
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016, David Kastrup wrote: > Uh, how does "dated appearance" (acl of animated content and flashiness, > color schemes of last season?) equate to "not very reassuring welcome"? Because the Web site looks like it has been left to decay since the time when that design style was current

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Yoon writes: > Hi everyone - long-time lilyponder, first time poster here - > > I'm wondering if there might be room to discuss some improvements to > the lilypond.org homepage -- in my personal experience in the past its > typical GNU-style dated appearance was a little off-putting, and

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 21.08.2016 um 15:41 schrieb Andrew Bernard: Hello Andrew and welcome (from another Haskell user!). I agree with you. The website is looking tired and faded. But I think it is somehow generated programmatically from the lilypond builds, and not based on a content management system. I suspect t

Re: Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hello Andrew and welcome (from another Haskell user!). I agree with you. The website is looking tired and faded. But I think it is somehow generated programmatically from the lilypond builds, and not based on a content management system. I suspect this makes it difficult to give it a fresh new loo

Potential improvements to the homepage?

2016-08-21 Thread Andrew Yoon
Hi everyone - long-time lilyponder, first time poster here - I'm wondering if there might be room to discuss some improvements to the lilypond.org homepage -- in my personal experience in the past its typical GNU-style dated appearance was a little off-putting, and I suspect for many other compos

Re: Centering Chord Diagrams

2016-08-21 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi Patrick, 2016-08-21 5:17 GMT+02:00 Patrick Millier : > Hi, > > > I'm leaning Lilypond and cannot find this one ... I got some chord diagrams > at the beginning of my score and would like to center them. Please try to ask more specific. To center something may mean: vertical, horizontal or bot