Re: GDP: summary and directions, 11 Sep ( Trevor Ba?a )

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Jay Hamilton wrote: That would then leave the following separate books: * Learning Manual (4 or 5 chapters) * Notation Reference (25 chapters) * Page Layout (handful of chapters) * Program Usage (6 chapters) * Program Reference (15 chapters) I don't see the point of splitting in

Re:GDP: summary and directions, 11 Sep ( Trevor Ba?a )

2007-09-11 Thread Jay Hamilton
I have absolutely no time to offer real help but Trevor's idea is one I heartily endorse. It's where I spend most of my time in search and would be the most used. In general the questions I have to ask the forum fall outside that 'chapter'. Also like more verbose TOC, btw I use the pdf version i

Re: GDP: summary and directions, 11 Sep

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
Trevor Bača wrote: That then leaves the question of what to do with the other stuff. What about this? * Spacing: recast as a separate manual called Page Layout * Input and output: move to Program Usage * Changing defaults: move to Program Reference * Interfaces for programmers: move to P

Re: distance between lines in custom markup

2007-09-11 Thread Neil Puttock
Hi Adam, On 9/12/07, Adam Good <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > in the markup below, two lines of text will be printed in a column > so, one on top of the other. > > How can I decrease/increase the vspace between them? Have a look at "text-interface" in the Graphical Object Interf

Re: GIMP, GTK, And Lilypond on Windows

2007-09-11 Thread Tim Reeves
Mark wrote: > That is pretty weird. Does anyone else here have Windows 2000 who > would be willing to test this (to see if it's just me)? Windows > 2000 and XP should be essentially the same with this, though . . . > hence the weirdness on my part. > > I'll have to try it on another computer

distance between lines in custom markup

2007-09-11 Thread Adam Good
Hi everyone, in the markup below, two lines of text will be printed in a column so, one on top of the other. How can I decrease/increase the vspace between them? Thanks all Adam Good % custommark = #(define-music-function (parser location marktext) (string?) (make-music 'TextScriptEve

Re: GDP: summary and directions, 11 Sep

2007-09-11 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/11/07, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're somewhat interested in GDP, but don't want to follow the > 50-email monster threads, simply read any email by me that starts a subject. > > Not because I think my opinion is the only one that matters :). Just > because I'll sum up

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Adam James Wilson
Hi all, Thanks everyone for being such active participants in this community - as a new user of Lilypond I'm finding it a great experience, both as a tool in and of itself and as an interaction between programmers/users/documenters/etc. I'm just looking at this thread for the first time after sen

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Dewey
That is pretty weird. Does anyone else here have Windows 2000 who would be willing to test this (to see if it's just me)? Windows 2000 and XP should be essentially the same with this, though . . . hence the weirdness on my part. I'll have to try it on another computer if I ever get the chance

Re: GDP: flattening the manual to two layers?

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ok, come on, it was hilarious! But we really need to explain this. Yes, that made me laugh quite a while indeed... > Poor Valentin thought I was swearing at him*. I, of course, was > referring to the new chapter "Text". The truth is, I had no

GDP: summary and directions, 11 Sep

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
If you're somewhat interested in GDP, but don't want to follow the 50-email monster threads, simply read any email by me that starts a subject. Not because I think my opinion is the only one that matters :). Just because I'll sum up the important points, and attempt to direct future discussio

GDP: to all offers of help

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
To everybody who offered to help with trivial and easy stuff, thanks! Sorry I haven't responded earlier, but we're still planning stuff that needs to be done before I have tasks for you. Unfortunately we need to do all the rearranging at once, otherwise the translations go crazy. Blame the tr

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is weird! I have had GIMP and LilyPond installed on the > same machine (Win XP) and have kept updating LilyPond every > now and then. Still, GIMP works without any problems. There are many different GIMP installation packs for windows. I rememb

Re: GDP: flattening the manual to two layers?

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: I suggested avoiding subsubsections such as in current Vocal music. Graham is reluctant to make more chapters (still can't forget about his "four letters" answer in a private mail :) Ok, come on, it was hilarious! But we really need to explain this. John and Valentin

GDP: in a perfect world, nothing but RTFM

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
I should clarify one point: in only the past three years, I've seen a lot of lilypond's documentation become out of date. That makes me look for long-term solutions for the docs. I really think of this like software engineering: planning and designing a computer program may seem like a waste

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
Mats Bengtsson wrote: The problem is, as Mats says, it's not specific to beaming; it applies equally to things like slurs and ties. If a snippet is to be submitted to LSR, it needs to be more generalized. Fine, but I'm sure we will see the same basic question coming back in other situation

Re: GDP: length/page-splitting of subsections

2007-09-11 Thread fiëé visuëlle
Am 2007-09-11 um 01:13 schrieb John Mandereau: Such symlinks already exist, but were only known by the webmasters and the translators. Have a look at this updated page to know about those permanent links: http://lilypond.org/web/documentation (Wait for one hour or two for the automatic regenera

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/11, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Well, I'm no programmer, so that could explain why I've never given it a second thought. Still; you're used to write (inside parentheses), and not outside( parentheses) aren't you? :) The problem is, as Mat

re: regression test

2007-09-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Oops... In that last email, I meant #'staff-position (from staff- symbol-referencer-interface). =\ Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
This is weird! I have had GIMP and LilyPond installed on the same machine (Win XP) and have kept updating LilyPond every now and then. Still, GIMP works without any problems. /Mats Mark Dewey wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/11, Mark Dewey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Anyway, whenever I i

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Mark Dewey
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/11, Mark Dewey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Anyway, whenever I install LilyPond, GIMP doesn't work anymore because of something to do with this. I don't know which GTK applications you're using, but the opposite could be done easily, i.e. standard LilyPond installatio

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Well, I'm no programmer, so that could explain why I've never given it a > second thought. Still; you're used to write (inside parentheses), and not outside( parentheses) aren't you? :) > The problem is, as Mats says, it's not specific to beamin

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Neil Puttock
On 9/11/07, Reinhold Kainhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > After you found out, it makes sense (because the bracket is not a bracket > in > the sense that it encloses something, but rather an attribute to the > note). > But if you are used to writing code, interleaving brackets and braces > se

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Dienstag, 11. September 2007 schrieb Neil Puttock: > On 9/11/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2007/9/11, Adam James Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Perhaps two examples - one manually beaming non-tuplets->tuplets and > > > one manually beaming tuplets->non-tuplets (maybe j

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Neil Puttock wrote: To add a dissenting voice, I don't think this is LSR-worthy, in my humble opinion. Surely it's clear from the postfix-style syntax for manual beaming that the right square bracket should directly follow the note which is to be at the end of the requested beaming, i.e.

Re: How to make different horizontal spacing for each staff?

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Have you read the section on Polymetric notation? You may also want to play with the techniques described in "Scaling durations", for example. /Mats Vít Reichel wrote: Hello! How can I make a different horizontal spacing for each staff or staff group? I need to write a modern notation pie

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Neil Puttock
On 9/11/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2007/9/11, Adam James Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Perhaps two examples - one manually beaming non-tuplets->tuplets and > > one manually beaming tuplets->non-tuplets (maybe just the examples > > below) - could be added to the 2.11 man

Re: Tip: defining new contexts ... starting from existing contexts

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We *need* to settle on the overall design of the manual before we can > start doing things like this. Hence the last sentence in my previous mail :) 2007/9/11, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > But this will take place in several weeks an

Re: PianoStaff spacing in 2.11

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Would you mind commenting > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=304 too? When I added > it I was still using 2.10, but obviously under 2.11 tweaking spanners is > quite different. I'll just mark it as "unapproved" for now; it works well with 2.10. If

"Volta with text" snippet needs font correcting

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
Hello everybody, I don't know who has sent the following snippet, but there seems to be a bug with fonts in it: http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=317 If the author of the original snippet can correct it, it would be great; otherwise, anyone can feel free to post the correct input in this m

Re: Tip: defining new contexts ... starting from existing contexts

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
Trevor Bača wrote: On 9/11/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (For the original mail, see http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2007-07/msg00526.html ) Sure. If you or Graham tell me where to stick the content, I'll turn that post into real docs. Thanks for the offe

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
Valentin Villenave wrote: 2007/9/11, Adam James Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Perhaps two examples - one manually beaming non-tuplets->tuplets and one manually beaming tuplets->non-tuplets (maybe just the examples below) - could be added to the 2.11 manual under "tuplets?" I'd be happy to write u

Re: PianoStaff spacing in 2.11

2007-09-11 Thread Neil Puttock
On 9/11/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2007/9/11, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > It would be nice to have this set by default for PianoStaff, but I > suppose > > that's a bit difficult since NonMusicalPaperColumn lives in the Score > > context. > > No: the *real* que

How to make different horizontal spacing for each staff?

2007-09-11 Thread Vít Reichel
Hello! How can I make a different horizontal spacing for each staff or staff group? I need to write a modern notation piece where there is one staff with every bar with different time signature and one staff group in 3/4. All staves have a common barline at the end of every system. The rythm of t

Re: GDP: flattening the manual to two layers?

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Eyolf Østrem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 11.09.2007 (06:41), Trevor Bača wrote: > > Question: has anyone suggested replacing the three-layer chapter / > > section / section structure with a two-layer chapter / section > > structure? I suggested avoiding subsubsections such as in current

Re: GDP: length/page-splitting of subsections

2007-09-11 Thread Juergen Reuter
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Graham Percival wrote: To summarize some discussions: ... - Does anybody _like_ the current layout? If so, speak up now or forever hold your peace. :) I am _fine_ with the current layout. However, I agree that for global searching in the web browser, you need a big

Re: PianoStaff spacing in 2.11

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Neil Puttock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It would be nice to have this set by default for PianoStaff, but I suppose > that's a bit difficult since NonMusicalPaperColumn lives in the Score > context. No: the *real* question is: who's gonna add it to the Lilypond Snippet Repository ASAP? :)

Re: Tip: defining new contexts ... starting from existing contexts

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Trevor Bača <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > (I've lost track of the halftime score on the doc discussion: in the > 2.11 manual, 9.2.7 "Defining new contexts" talks about this stuff; > under the 2.11 structure I would say that we rename 9.2.7 "Defining > new contexts from scratch" and then create

Re: GDP: flattening the manual to two layers?

2007-09-11 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 11.09.2007 (06:41), Trevor Bača wrote: > Hey Graham, hey everyone, > > The GDP discussion has been extremely interesting and I think I've > caught up on most of the threads. But I'm not certain so feel free to > tell me if this topic has already come up. > > Question: has anyone suggested repl

GDP: flattening the manual to two layers?

2007-09-11 Thread Trevor Bača
Hey Graham, hey everyone, The GDP discussion has been extremely interesting and I think I've caught up on most of the threads. But I'm not certain so feel free to tell me if this topic has already come up. Question: has anyone suggested replacing the three-layer chapter / section / section struct

Re: Tip: defining new contexts ... starting from existing contexts

2007-09-11 Thread Trevor Bača
On 9/11/07, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2007/7/21, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Looks great (I've often been looking for such a tip in the past). > > > > I'll make a patch soon. > > Mmm... still haven't made any patch yet :( Sorry. > > Since we're talking about

Re: PianoStaff spacing in 2.11

2007-09-11 Thread Neil Puttock
Hi Trevor Have you tried using the alignment-offsets part of the > NonMusicalPaperColumn's line-break-system-details property? > > Here's an example where we override the NonMusicalPaperColumn grob in > the Score's context block; the result is completely fixed vertical > distance throughout the sc

Re: Tip: defining new contexts ... starting from existing contexts

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/7/21, Valentin Villenave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Looks great (I've often been looking for such a tip in the past). > > I'll make a patch soon. Mmm... still haven't made any patch yet :( Sorry. Since we're talking about GDP and rewriting changing-defaults.itely, I think we shouldn't forget t

Re: PianoStaff spacing in 2.11

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Perhaps, this is related to http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=445&start=100 Try adding \layout{ \context{ \Staff \override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-4 . 4) } } to your file and see if it improves the situation. /Mats Neil Puttock wrote: Hi everybody,

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Mark Dewey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Anyway, whenever I install LilyPond, GIMP doesn't work anymore because of > something to do with this. I don't know which GTK applications you're using, but the opposite could be done easily, i.e. standard LilyPond installation, *but* instead of using

Re: GDP: length/page-splitting of subsections

2007-09-11 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Graham Percival wrote: There are two solutions for this: 1) Don't split HTML by into subsections; have one html page per section. 2) Merge many subsections. For example, 6.1 Pitches 6.1.1 Writing pitches(includes 6.1.1, 6.1.2, 6.1.3, 6.1.4, and 6.1.5 in the latest proposal) 6.1.2 Oct

Re: how to beam non-tuplets with tuplets?

2007-09-11 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/11, Adam James Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Perhaps two examples - one manually beaming non-tuplets->tuplets and > one manually beaming tuplets->non-tuplets (maybe just the examples > below) - could be added to the 2.11 manual under "tuplets?" I'd be > happy to write up a little chunk of t

Re: GDP: rearrangement

2007-09-11 Thread Till Rettig
Hello, from what so far has been discussed I catched somewhat the need is to group the issues more into "single topic" sections of subsections. For the discussion about the format of the html-docu: I would rather like to have whole subsections downloading than those tiny pages -- I also get l

Re: GTK and LilyPond

2007-09-11 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Mark Dewey writes: > Is it possible to get a distribution of LilyPond that doesn't have > the GTK or GTK elements bundled, but rather just relies on the one > already installed? That's probably not possible. Windows knows no packaging system, there is no dependency resolving and every package ju

Re: GDP: structure of index

2007-09-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> > > Furthermore, I would like to see entries like > > > > > > \displayLilyMusic: Displaying LilyPond notation > > > \displayLilyMusic: Displaying music expressions > > > > > > rather being structured as follows: > > > > > > \displayLilyMusic: > > > Displaying LilyPond notation > >