Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 11 Nov 2017, at 12:52, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible >> for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches >> the terminology I use quite better). >> >> N

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 11 Nov 2017, at 12:52, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible >> for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches >> the terminology I use quite better). >> >> N

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 15:07 schrieb Hans Åberg: On 11 Nov 2017, at 12:52, Urs Liska wrote: Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches the terminology

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 21:23 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: Am 11.11.2017 um 15:30 schrieb Carl Sorensen: When I look at http://openmusictheory.com/meter.html , the thing that we call a beat in the c++ code is what openmusictheory calls a pulse. And what we call a beat group is what th

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 11 Nov 2017, at 12:52, Urs Liska wrote: > > > > Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible >> for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches >> the terminology I use quite better). >> >> N

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Am 11.11.2017 um 13:25 schrieb Simon Albrecht: > On 11.11.2017 12:30, David Kastrup wrote: > >> I have a hard time seeing a "beat" as something that can have different >> lengths. >> > > Musical notation isn’t well-defined in a mathematical or programming > sense, so there are no such strict rules

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 13:25 schrieb Simon Albrecht: On 11.11.2017 12:30, David Kastrup wrote: I have a hard time seeing a "beat" as something that can have different lengths. Musical notation isn’t well-defined in a mathematical or programming sense, so there are no such strict rules as all beat

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 13:15 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches the terminology I use quite better). Now

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 11.11.2017 12:30, David Kastrup wrote: I have a hard time seeing a "beat" as something that can have different lengths. Musical notation isn’t well-defined in a mathematical or programming sense, so there are no such strict rules as all beats of a measure having to be the same length. If n

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: >> I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible >> for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches >> the terminology I use quite better). >> >> Now I have certainly not gotten an Engl

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 12:52 schrieb Urs Liska: "Beat" also refers to what a conductor would do. the 3+3+2 from my example would be given as three "beats" by the conductor. Maybe your perception of "beat" as necessarily regular comes from the fact that in German we use "beat" too, but usually refer

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 12:30 schrieb David Kastrup: I find "grouping" without "beat" fine. I could have been responsible for the terminology in the code (pretty sure I wasn't, but it matches the terminology I use quite better). Now I have certainly not gotten an English music education, so can some

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > Am 11.11.2017 um 11:42 schrieb David Kastrup: >> Urs Liska writes: >> >>> So, now the first question ... >>> >>> The terminology of baseMoment, beats and groups is inconsistent >>> between the NR >>> (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/beams#setting-automati

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Am 11.11.2017 um 11:42 schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska writes: So, now the first question ... The terminology of baseMoment, beats and groups is inconsistent between the NR (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/beams#setting-automatic-beam-behavior) and the code. The questi

Re: Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska writes: > So, now the first question ... > > The terminology of baseMoment, beats and groups is inconsistent > between the NR > (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/beams#setting-automatic-beam-behavior) > and the code. The question is, what are the components of the >

Terminology of baseMoment, beats, groups

2017-11-11 Thread Urs Liska
Hi all, I'm writing an assessment how the beaming-pattern code could be redone properly, which is pretty much necessary. Apart from some minor problems at the surface at least the concept of (subdivide the) beaming of tuplets it completely messed up. In fact, beam subdivision is simply unusab