Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> As written earlier, I see absolutely no reason why the stems for >> the beamed 128th must be that long.  IMHO, they could be moved down >> one staff space.  Am I missing something? > > Maybe it's done in order to visually separate beams with staff > symbol. 128th beam consists of five lines,

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hmm, i raised this issue because it looked to me as if it was overlooked by developers, but engraving books seem to be clear here and LilyPond is in fact doing the right job. While personally i dislike current looks of the output, i won't argue with authorities here. Let's leave it as it is now. 2

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>>> As far as I can see from the books, that makes almost no difference. >>> Stems for unbeamed notes still touch the middle staff line. >> >> I agree. Sorry for being imprecise: I was talking about the beamed >> stems. >> >> >> Werner >> > > Again - makes no difference, once the note mean is b

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Werner LEMBERG" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff As far as I can see from the books, that makes almost no difference. Stems for unbeamed n

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Werner LEMBERG" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff I think: We are talking about stem lengths for notes with three or more ledger lines. A

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> I think: We are talking about stem lengths for notes with three or >> more ledger lines. > > As far as I can see from the books, that makes almost no difference. > Stems for unbeamed notes still touch the middle staff line. I agree. Sorry for being imprecise: I was talking about the beamed st

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Werner LEMBERG" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:54 AM Subject: Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff Gardner Read does not deal much with beam placement. Kurt Stone says that the beam in

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Gardner Read does not deal much with beam placement. Kurt Stone > says that the beam in this case should straddle the middle line, > which Lily does (see image). He says that for double and multiple > beams, stems are usually lengthened by half a space for each > additional beam, but when 3 or

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Phil Holmes
Gardner Read does not deal much with beam placement. Kurt Stone says that the beam in this case should straddle the middle line, which Lily does (see image). He says that for double and multiple beams, stems are usually lengthened by half a space for each additional beam, but when 3 or more be

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Phil Holmes
Gardner Read is unequivocal on stem length: "For all note heads that lie higher than the second added space above the staff, a downward stem touches the middle staff line". Ditto the same rule for upward stems with note heads under the staff. So the proposal is against his "rule". Kurt Stone

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Janek Warchoł wrote Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:11 PM next thing is to decide what the output of { c32 c[ c] c64 c[ c] } should be. Currently the stems of unbeamed notes are lenghtened to middle line only ("current output.png"). In my opinion this looks weird, i'd suggest something like "s

Re: shortened flags affair, part 5 - length of notes extending far from staff

2011-03-09 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> next thing is to decide what the output of { c32 c[ c] c64 c[ c] } > should be. Currently the stems of unbeamed notes are lenghtened to > middle line only ("current output.png"). In my opinion this looks > weird, i'd suggest something like "suggested output.png". Again, I think that the stems