Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > Am 10.09.2015 um 01:13 schrieb Simon Albrecht: > >> How would you code something like > > [chord-entry-1.png] > >> >> or > > [chord-entry-2.png] > >> >> (and there are many such examples in the piece I’m engraving) in >> LilyPond? Use <> for every single chord? If you wa

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
Sorry, I see pasting images inline has completely failed. See below and attached. Am 10.09.2015 um 01:13 schrieb Simon Albrecht: Am 09.09.2015 um 23:41 schrieb David Kastrup: Simon Albrecht writes: Hello David, pardon if I insist another time. Am 09.09.2015 um 22:40 schrieb David Kastrup:

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 09.09.2015 um 23:41 schrieb David Kastrup: Simon Albrecht writes: Hello David, pardon if I insist another time. Am 09.09.2015 um 22:40 schrieb David Kastrup: Joram writes: Hi Simon, I see. The difference is: I would not have expected that to work. But I can see the benefit if it woul

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Joram writes: > Hi David, > >> Why wouldn't it be a chord? > > That's why I wrote »Or is it a real chord?«. > >> Articulations and ties not written _inside_ of a chord do not belong to >> "single notes". They belong to a moment in time. > > This was the missing piece for my understanding. I woul

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Joram
Hi David, > Why wouldn't it be a chord? That's why I wrote »Or is it a real chord?«. > Articulations and ties not written _inside_ of a chord do not belong to > "single notes". They belong to a moment in time. This was the missing piece for my understanding. I would have expected that an a and

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > Hello David, > > pardon if I insist another time. > > Am 09.09.2015 um 22:40 schrieb David Kastrup: >> Joram writes: >> >>> Hi Simon, >>> >>> I see. The difference is: I would not have expected that to work. But I >>> can see the benefit if it would, now. >> Sigh. It wo

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Joram writes: > Hi David, > > hm. So, this << { } { } >> can be used to combine notes into a chord, > except that it is not real chord but just notes at the same point in > time in the same voice. What do you think a chord is? It is just notes at the same point in time in the same voice. > Whi

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hello David, pardon if I insist another time. Am 09.09.2015 um 22:40 schrieb David Kastrup: Joram writes: Hi Simon, I see. The difference is: I would not have expected that to work. But I can see the benefit if it would, now. Sigh. It works perfectly. Of course it works as long as you k

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Joram
Hi David, hm. So, this << { } { } >> can be used to combine notes into a chord, except that it is not real chord but just notes at the same point in time in the same voice. Which looks like a chord and (from the music point of view) is a chord (what else?) but isn't (at least for LP)? Or is it a r

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Joram writes: > Hi Simon, > > I see. The difference is: I would not have expected that to work. But I > can see the benefit if it would, now. Sigh. It works perfectly. Per-chord ties don't magically turn into in-chord ties, but if you really need in-chord ties, nobody keeps you from writing th

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Joram
Hi Simon, I see. The difference is: I would not have expected that to work. But I can see the benefit if it would, now. Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Joram
Hi, >> For me the question arises: what to expect from this syntax: >> \new Voice << { c''^~ c'' } { a'_~ a' } >> ? >> Two voices in the same voice? > > How would LilyPond start new voices when it's already at bottom level? Excatly, that was my question. > When at bottom level, << >> without \\

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 09.09.2015 um 21:04 schrieb Joram: Hi, I apologize already for entering a discussion I might not be able to follow due to a lack of knowledge. The in-chord out-of-chord difference makes sense to me. For me the question arises: what to expect from this syntax: \new Voice << { c''^~ c'' } { a'

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Joram writes: > Hi, > > I apologize already for entering a discussion I might not be able to > follow due to a lack of knowledge. The in-chord out-of-chord difference > makes sense to me. > > For me the question arises: what to expect from this syntax: > \new Voice << { c''^~ c'' } { a'_~ a' } >>

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Joram
Hi, I apologize already for entering a discussion I might not be able to follow due to a lack of knowledge. The in-chord out-of-chord difference makes sense to me. For me the question arises: what to expect from this syntax: \new Voice << { c''^~ c'' } { a'_~ a' } >> ? Two voices in the same voic

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Simon Albrecht writes: > Am 09.09.2015 um 08:28 schrieb David Kastrup: >> >>> >>> >>> My ‘possibly related’ statement was only supposed to indicate that >>> these issues have similar topics and are likely concerned with similar >>> parts of

Re: Ties within chords inconsistency

2015-09-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 09.09.2015 um 08:28 schrieb David Kastrup: Simon Albrecht writes: Am 04.09.2015 um 04:09 schrieb David Kastrup: Simon Albrecht writes: Hello, consider the following example: \version "2.19.25" \new Voice << { c''^~ c'' } { a'_~ a' } >> \new Voice << { c'' } { a' } >>