Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-02 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/6/30 Graham Percival : > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:34:56PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Graham Percival >> wrote: >> > Daily tests would be awesome: >> > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=933 >> >> We used to have this, but it was rathe

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-02 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/6/30 Han-Wen Nienhuys : > Overall, I think this cycle took too long. As i'm pretty new here, i cannot compare this cycle to previous ones, but i think i agree :) 2011/6/30 m...@apollinemike.com : > On Jun 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> We should strive to have policies that

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-02 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/6/30 Graham Percival > > > >Oh, and thank you, Graham, for putting so much effort into > > >organizing > > >Lilypond development.  One of the lessons learned IMO, though you > > >may > > >not like it, is that active leaders are necessary to push along a > > >project of this size. Agreed. >

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Colin Campbell
On 11-06-30 10:53 AM, Graham Percival wrote: By "our limitation", I'm referring to the lifetime of a patch. - patch gets written - patch is put on Rietveld. - ** James does the regtest comparison with his shiny new 4-core 8gb-ram machine - if no regtest errors, patch is tagged with patch-revie

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > There is no doubt in my mind that such a safety net would save us > developer time and frustration.  Such a script could be easily > dumped into a cronjob; if all is well, it is silent; if any of > those commands fails, it emails a warning t

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 11:26:04AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > Catching compilation (make and make doc) errors, and telling us > > exactly which commits occurred between the last successful build > > and the current failing attempt

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Graham Percival wrote: >> We used to have this, but it was rather fragile, so it only caught >> compilation errors, and no regtest breakage. > > Catching compilation (make and make doc) errors, and telling us > exactly which commits occurred between the last succes

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 01:09:57PM +0100, Graham Percival wrote: > A challenge for somebody else (because Carl has done enough): > produce 1 or 2 graphs that visualize this. Note that producing a > good graph is not just a matter of picking two columns and > clicking through a wizard in excel; I'd

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-07-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 07:33:42PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: > I've done an analysis ... > P.S. I've attached a csv file of my analysis; I've got a .xls file if > anybody is interested. Wow. You've earned yourself another Graham Kiss (tm). That's incredible. This is precisely what I was hopin

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 6/30/11 9:21 AM, "Graham Percival" wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:17:36AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> We should examine other reasons for the delay of the 1st candidate >> appearing, and the delay between the 1st and last release candidate, >> and figure out if there is a way to prev

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 05:33:08PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: > - Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" > > To: > > >Cool project, but I don't think our limitation is processing > >power. My desktop is idle at least 95% of the time, so I could > >dedicate a lot more horsepower to GU

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Graham Percival" To: On a tangent: at Google I am working on a side-project that essentially is distcc on steroids; it will allow any compilation ... It could speed up GUB and regtest checking for those that have access to several machines. Cool project

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:34:56PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > Daily tests would be awesome: > > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=933 > > We used to have this, but it was rather fragile, so it only caught > comp

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:17:36AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html > > > > What went well, what went badly? This is a discussion only; it > > will be summarized, and we will refer back to it i

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Graham Percival wrote: >> On a tangent: at Google I am working on a side-project that >> essentially is distcc on steroids; it will allow any compilation > ... >> It could speed up GUB and regtest checking for those that have access >> to several machines. > > Coo

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jun 30, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: >> http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html >> >> ** Proposal summary >> >> What went well, what went badly? This is a discussion only; it >> will be summarized, and we will refer

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html > > ** Proposal summary > > What went well, what went badly? This is a discussion only; it > will be summarized, and we will refer back to it in future policy > decisions, but no new policies will

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 09:00:48AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: > > Michael Welsh Duggan wrote Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:34 AM > > >Graham Percival writes: > > > >>http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html > > > >Could I please ask, for my sanity, that we use ISO 8601 dates? Sorry, and done.

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Michael Welsh Duggan wrote Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:34 AM Graham Percival writes: http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html Could I please ask, for my sanity, that we use ISO 8601 dates? +1 (and thanks for reworking the list) Oh, and thank you, Graham, for putting so much effort into

Re: GOP-PROP 4: lessons from 2.14

2011-06-29 Thread Michael Welsh Duggan
Graham Percival writes: > http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_4.html [...] Could I please ask, for my sanity, that we use ISO 8601 dates? Living and working in the USA, I always get mentally confused between DD-MM- and MM-DD- (either way). To help out, I will convert the dates in your