Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-10-29 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 29/10/2022 à 06:34, Ian Kelling a écrit : I have an update. A lists.gnu.org user from emacs helped me identify some occasional backlogs that were happening, causing 2 - 3 hour delays of some messages every once in a while. I've done a deep dive into the performance of the system, identified so

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-10-28 Thread Ian Kelling
Ian Kelling writes: > Jean Abou Samra writes: > >> Hello, dear administrators of GNU list servers, >> >> Sorry for the possible double post, I was not sure which address to >> send this to. This is to let you know that mailing lists related >> to the GNU

Re: Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Jean Abou Samra writes: > >> Thus I wrote to the general GNU list server admins and proposed >> to step up for being an admin on these lists, just like I am >> already an admin on lilypond-user-fr (the French-speaking equivalent >> of lilypond-user, in case you didn't kno

Re: Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread Tim's Bitstream
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Dan Eble wrote: > > On Oct 7, 2022, at 16:45, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > >> Thus I wrote to the general GNU list server admins and proposed >> to step up for being an admin on these lists, just like I am >> already an admin on lilypond-user-fr (the French-speakin

Re: Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Thus I wrote to the general GNU list server admins and proposed > to step up for being an admin on these lists, just like I am > already an admin on lilypond-user-fr (the French-speaking equivalent > of lilypond-user, in case you didn't know). > > Is that OK with everyon

Re: Administration of mailing lists,Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Is that OK with everyone? +1 Werner

Re: Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread Dan Eble
On Oct 7, 2022, at 16:45, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Thus I wrote to the general GNU list server admins and proposed > to step up for being an admin on these lists, just like I am > already an admin on lilypond-user-fr (the French-speaking equivalent > of lilypond-user, in case you didn't know). >

Administration of mailing lists

2022-10-07 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Hi, This email is cross-posted to lilypond-user, lilypond-devel and bug-lilypond. The admin for these three lists (d...@gnu.org, apparently David R. Linn) has not been active in the project for a long time, and I have not been able to reach him by email. This is problematic because you need an ad

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-07-03 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 17/06/2022 à 18:44, Aaron Hill a écrit : On 2022-06-17 9:36 am, Ian Kelling wrote: Aaron Hill writes: On 2022-06-17 9:07 am, Ian Kelling wrote: Can confirm: no appreciable delay.  Moderation could make sense here, although it would not explain why regular users of the lists experience this

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2022-06-17 9:36 am, Ian Kelling wrote: Aaron Hill writes: On 2022-06-17 9:07 am, Ian Kelling wrote: Can confirm: no appreciable delay. Moderation could make sense here, although it would not explain why regular users of the lists experience this delay intermittently. Is there some compo

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Aaron Hill writes: > On 2022-06-17 9:07 am, Ian Kelling wrote: > Can confirm: no appreciable delay. Moderation could make sense here, > although it would not explain why regular users of the lists experience > this delay intermittently. Is there some component that randomly > selects emails f

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Regarding listhelper, I didn't know about it. I'm not sure > if it's enabled on lilypond-user or lilypond-devel, but judging > from > https://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/ListHelperAntiSpam/, > it is not enabled on lilypond-user-fr (there's no non-human address > in th

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2022-06-17 9:07 am, Ian Kelling wrote: Aaron Hill writes: In case it helps, your very message to the list was delayed significantly. I presume I hadn't posted to lilypond-devel before, so it was held for moderation and the listhelpers were asleep, they approved it after they woke up. So,

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 17/06/2022 à 18:07, Ian Kelling a écrit : Aaron Hill writes: In case it helps, your very message to the list was delayed significantly. I presume I hadn't posted to lilypond-devel before, so it was held for moderation and the listhelpers were asleep, they approved it after they woke up. So

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Ian Kelling writes: > Aaron Hill writes: > >> In case it helps, your very message to the list was delayed >> significantly. > > I presume I hadn't posted to lilypond-devel before, so it was held for > moderation and the listhelpers were asleep, they approved it after they > woke up. So, this w

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Aaron Hill writes: > In case it helps, your very message to the list was delayed > significantly. I presume I hadn't posted to lilypond-devel before, so it was held for moderation and the listhelpers were asleep, they approved it after they woke up. So, this was case #1. Again, I encourage the

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 17/06/2022 à 16:15, Aaron Hill a écrit : On 2022-06-16 7:54 pm, Ian Kelling wrote: #3, least common: sometimes there is an issue with a specific mail server which causes delays. This can often be fixed. I'm happy to check if that is the case, just email the details of the message to mail..

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2022-06-16 7:54 pm, Ian Kelling wrote: #3, least common: sometimes there is an issue with a specific mail server which causes delays. This can often be fixed. I'm happy to check if that is the case, just email the details of the message to mail...@gnu.org. If it hasn't been posted, wait at lea

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Ian Kelling
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Hello, dear administrators of GNU list servers, > > Sorry for the possible double post, I was not sure which address to > send this to. This is to let you know that mailing lists related > to the GNU LilyPond project have recently been experi

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-17 Thread Dan Eble
On Jun 17, 2022, at 02:18, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > >> we do. Does lilypond want one or more of their lists to be one of the >> initial group to move to mailman 3? > > Yes, I'd be in favor of doing that. Others, what do you > think? fine — Dan

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-16 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> Does lilypond want one or more of their lists to be one of the >> initial group to move to mailman 3? > > Yes, I'd be in favor of doing that. Others, what do you > think? I support that, at least for 'lilypond-devel'. Werner

Re: Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-16 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Hi, Thanks for your reply. Le 17/06/2022 à 04:54, Ian Kelling a écrit : Jean Abou Samra writes: Hello, dear administrators of GNU list servers, Sorry for the possible double post, I was not sure which address to send this to. This is to let you know that mailing lists related to the GNU

Distribution delays on mailing lists for GNU LilyPond

2022-06-09 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Hello, dear administrators of GNU list servers, Sorry for the possible double post, I was not sure which address to send this to. This is to let you know that mailing lists related to the GNU LilyPond project have recently been experiencing abnormal distribution delays. Even though this has been

GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists (final)

2011-08-04 Thread Graham Percival
/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00076.html ** Other projects The idea of private mailing lists is hardly uncommon in open-source software. For example, http://lwn.net/Articles/394660/ about debian-private http://subversion.apache.org/mailing-lists.html private@ http://www.freebsd.org/admini

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists (probable decision)

2011-07-26 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/7/27 Graham Percival : > Most people seem to like the status quo. > > http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_6.html > > ** Proposal summary > > Potentially sensitive or private matters will be referred to > Graham. He will then decide who should discuss the matter on an > ad-hoc basis, and forwar

GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists (probable decision)

2011-07-26 Thread Graham Percival
://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-09/msg00178.html http://news.lilynet.net/spip.php?article121 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00076.html ** Other projects The idea of private mailing lists is hardly uncommon in open-source software. For example, http

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-24 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/7/22 Graham Percival > ** Proposal summary > > What should we do with potentially sensitive or private matters in > lilypond? I see two possible solutions: > >   1. Pick one person to manage private discussions. >   2. Have a private mailing list with a known list of people who > will discuss

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-24 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > I'll reiterate that I don't think this is a great long-term > solution -- I view the "private CCing" idea as a temporary > compromise for the next 12-18 months. Once we've gotten into the > habit of regular releases, a more firm set of development > proposals+guidelines

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 08:20:04PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: > Once again, you make some excellent points.However if said list has to > be limited to *five* people, I do question the need for a mailing list > at all, rather than merely CCing whomever needs to be CCed. For clarity: assuming

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Valentin Villenave wrote Friday, July 22, 2011 7:20 PM On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Trevor Daniels wrote: I would be in favour of a fixed private mailing list with publicly known members to decide a publicly known list of issues, including the obvious granting/withdrawing git push ac

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread Valentin Villenave
o *five* people, I do question the need for a mailing list at all, rather than merely CCing whomever needs to be CCed. The whole point of mailing lists, in my opinion, is archives: if this list's archives are not meant to be made public, ever, then I'm certainly missing the point (assuming there&

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> If we want to pursue a private mailing list, rather than “whoever >> Graham thinks/remembers to cc”, then the obvious question is “who >> should be on it?”. > > I actually like the solution "whoever Graham thinks/remembers to > cc." Me too. I'v

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Friday, July 22, 2011 12:59 AM What should we do with potentially sensitive or private matters in lilypond? I see two possible solutions: 1. Pick one person to manage private discussions. Whenever there is a potentially sensitive topic, send an email to that person. He

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:21 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Graham Percival wrote: >> >>> ** Private list membership? >>> >>> If we want to pursue a private mailing list, rather than “whoever >>> Graham thinks/remembers to cc”, then th

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > >> ** Private list membership? >> >> If we want to pursue a private mailing list, rather than “whoever >> Graham thinks/remembers to cc”, then the obvious question is “who >> should be on it?”. >> >> My init

Re: GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-22 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:59 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > ** Private list membership? > > If we want to pursue a private mailing list, rather than “whoever > Graham thinks/remembers to cc”, then the obvious question is “who > should be on it?”. > > My initial thought is to keep it small – say, 5 peo

GOP-PROP 6: private mailing lists

2011-07-21 Thread Graham Percival
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-09/msg00178.html http://news.lilynet.net/spip.php?article121 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00076.html ** Other projects The idea of private mailing lists is hardly uncommon in open-source software. For example, http

Re: Mailing lists

2006-04-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Does it really make sense to have a separate bug-lilypond list? Yes. Bug reports sent to this address eventually get collected into the lily-bugs CVS repository after confirmation. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Mailing lists

2006-04-05 Thread David Feuer
Does it really make sense to have a separate bug-lilypond list? David ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel