Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released David Nalesnik writes: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: - This version contai

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote Monday, October 08, 2012 1:19 PM > I think this is the best way to characterize it. You might want to rephrase > it > slightly to make it more personal to the reader: > > - > This version contains work in progress. You will have acces

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
David Nalesnik writes: > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling > wrote: > >> - >> This version contains work in progress. You will have access to the very >> latest features, but some may be incomplete, and you may encounter bugs and >> crashes. If

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Kastrup
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Negative connotation. But reversed (see below) it is not actually that >> bad. >> >> "it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working with >> this release. Everyone else is encouraged to use the stable 2.16 >> version ins

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread David Nalesnik
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > - > This version contains work in progress. You will have access to the very > latest features, but some may be incomplete, and you may encounter bugs and > crashes. If you require a stable version of Li

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/07/2012 01:22 PM, David Kastrup wrote: I'd rephrase the first two sentences as This version contains work in progress. Only users who are prepared to deal with crashes or unexpected ... +1 I think this is the best way to characterize it. You might want to rephrase it slightly to make

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: > Negative connotation. But reversed (see below) it is not actually that > bad. > > "it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working with > this release. Everyone else is encouraged to use the stable 2.16 > version instead." > > Something like that. Why

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Stefaan Himpe
"Users should not be using this release"? No, I don't want to employ a simple descriptive term like "user" as a caste label. That seems even worse than "normal users". In this context I agree it doesn't sound good. I'd reformulate the sentence to mention that this specific release is suitab

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Stefaan Himpe wrote: > >> I got a bikeshed to pluck here, namely "normal users". Can we find a >> different wording for that? I have no good idea right now, but I find >> that my dislike for this wording does not improve. > > Just use the word "users". Devs know t

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: "Phil Holmes" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released "Phil Holmes" writes: "it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working w

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Stefaan Himpe writes: > Hi there, > >> I got a bikeshed to pluck here, namely "normal users". Can we find a >> different wording for that? I have no good idea right now, but I find >> that my dislike for this wording does not improve. > > Just use the word "users". Devs know they have other opt

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Stefaan Himpe
Hi there, I got a bikeshed to pluck here, namely "normal users". Can we find a different wording for that? I have no good idea right now, but I find that my dislike for this wording does not improve. Just use the word "users". Devs know they have other options. Best regards, Stefaan.

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: >> "it is strongly recommended that only experienced users try working with >> this release. Everyone else is encouraged to use the stable 2.16 >> version instead." >> >> Something like that. > > > "This version has not had extensive testing, and so only users who are > wil

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "David Kastrup" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released Janek Warchoł writes: On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM, David Kastrup wrote: "Phil Holmes" writes: We are happy to announce the

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> "Phil Holmes" writes: >> >>> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.17.4. This >>> release contains the usual number of bugfixes. It is strongly >>> recommended that normal users do not use this release

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > "it is strongly recommended that only developers use this release. > Everyone else should use stable 2.16 version". The wording I've used for the upcoming LilyPond Report is: "this version is intended for testing purposes and not production

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > "Phil Holmes" writes: > >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.17.4. This >> release contains the usual number of bugfixes. It is strongly >> recommended that normal users do not use this release, and instead >> use the stable

Re: LilyPond 2.17.4 released

2012-10-07 Thread David Kastrup
"Phil Holmes" writes: > We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.17.4. This > release contains the usual number of bugfixes. It is strongly > recommended that normal users do not use this release, and instead > use the stable 2.16 version. I got a bikeshed to pluck here, namely "normal