From: Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org
CC: "Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:41:11 +0200
On Friday 14 October 2005 00.44, Wiz Au
"Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But the idea of fighting against a "there is only linux" culture
> doesn't really attract me.
it's quite the opposite. as Jan said before[1] we *need* a windows
developer. There is no point in fight against this "linux culture"
because we all here use linux
On Friday 14 October 2005 00.44, Wiz Aus wrote:
> >Hrm, I run Debian and have all that wondrous stuff.
>
> It's certainly possible that linux-based IDE's have come along since I last
> played
> around with them (probably 5 years ago now), but I don't get the impression
> that
> the configure script
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:51:42 +0200
Wiz Aus wrote:
environment they do. For a start, if we are truly concerned about
ensuring the
Wiz Aus writes:
> I would just like to see some amount of acceptance among lilypond
> developers that not everyone works in the same environment
We distribute easily installable binary versions for most platforms.
This spring, I took a 2.5 months unpaid holiday, spending most of my
development ti
Wiz Aus wrote:
Getting you up and running in your personal favorite environment is
something Jan and I could do. However it would take us a lot of time,
a resource which is very precious for us, and it doesn't buy us
anything. Therefore, we don't feel like doing it.
But that's not what I'm as
Wiz Aus wrote:
environment they do. For a start, if we are truly concerned about
ensuring the longevity of our code, then tieing yourself intricably to
"our" code? What did you contribute, then?
This discussion is not going anywhere, so let me try to summarize my
point of view as bluntly an
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:14:44 +0200
Freedom and esp. ownership of your own data, those might be themes
that interest you
From: Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:55:40 -0700
"Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> miss the many adm
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:35:56 +0200
I guess what frustrates me most about GNU-style developing is that so much
effort is put into ne
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
even if I liked linux as an OS better than Windows overall
(which I don't - they both have their merits and their weaknesses),
Most people I know chose GNU/linux not for technical reasons but
because of the freedom.
I would still choose to work under Windows because
Wiz Aus writes:
> even if I liked linux as an OS better than Windows overall
> (which I don't - they both have their merits and their weaknesses),
Most people I know chose GNU/linux not for technical reasons but
because of the freedom.
> I would still choose to work under Windows because
Freedo
Wiz Aus wrote:
All I would suggest is that there was at least one webpage somewhere
that just had the links to the correct versions of everything required
to build and compile lilypond under Mingw, along with whatever
installation instructions are necessary.
We have a wiki, you're welcome to co
On Thursday 13 October 2005 10.50, Wiz Aus wrote:
> >We've come a long way to get LilyPond compiled for windows.
> >Currently, it can be cross compiled to cygwin and to mingw. That took
> >quite some time and effort, but I'm quite pleased with the result.
> >There is no reason to build or develop
"Wiz Aus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> miss the many admittedly powerful tools that are available under linux.
> But never yet have I felt the slightly bit compelled to choose to develop
> under that platform. I'm sorry, but I like my GUI's, and my single
> keystroke
> compile and debug cycles,
Wiz Aus wrote:
> Now, do I really need to download every single one of those packages
> individually? And are they all available in the right versions for
mingw?
>
You should be able to compile everything except python using mingw.
Python requires some extreme hackery to get going. There are t
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Wiz Aus writes:
>
>> I'm sorry, but I like my GUI's, and my single keystroke compile and
>> debug cycles, and not to having to worry about which version of
>> which package is compatible with another and why this scripting
>> command works here and n
We've come a long way to get LilyPond compiled for windows.
Currently, it can be cross compiled to cygwin and to mingw. That took
quite some time and effort, but I'm quite pleased with the result.
There is no reason to build or develop [free software] on Windows,
when we have GNU/Linux at our co
From: Erlend Aasland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:10:36 +0200
On 10/13/05, Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Now, do I really need to download e
From: Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lilypond-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:12:40 -0700
Wiz Aus wrote:
>> From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, l
Wiz Aus wrote:
Perhaps you could try [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? You seem to get off
topic...
Off topic how? I'm trying to get lilypond to build. Surely others that
have
done so successfully
Problem: there is noone besides Jan that did so.
--
Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4
Wiz Aus writes:
> I'm sorry, but I like my GUI's, and my single keystroke compile and
> debug cycles, and not to having to worry about which version of
> which package is compatible with another and why this scripting
> command works here and not there.
Ah, if only Linux had a GUI! And single ke
Wiz Aus writes:
> So why can't it be built under Windows just using MinGW (and not cygwin)?
Of course it can be done, you've got all the source. It's just that
it hasn't been done yet, so you may need to fix configure/build
systems and patch some packages.
We've come a long way to get LilyPond
Wiz Aus wrote:
>> From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lily-devel
>> Subject: Re: Illegal C++
>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:14 +0200
>>
>> You can build it under cygwin, this is possible but something of
On 10/13/05, Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now, do I really need to download every single one of those packagesindividually? And are they all available in the right versions for mingw?Perhaps you could try
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? You seem to get off topic...Erlend_
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Wiz Aus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lily-devel
Subject: Re: Illegal C++
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:17:14 +0200
You can build it under cygwin, this is possible but something of a hassle.
The result is slower than the mingw build. It's a
What/where are the building instructions for Win32? I understand it
uses MINGW32, but the source I downloaded certainly doesn't have
everything required to build, say, the lilypond-windows executable that
comes with the install.
We cross-compile the .exe under Linux. Theoretically, you could
Wiz Aus wrote:
Um...no...that's how it registers all the different engravers/performers.
Without the change I made, it gives a Key_performer not found error
(or something like).
FWIW, the MSVC RTTI returns "class Key_performer" for the class name.
Yes, you're right. I noticed this later.
What
[please keep discussions on the mailing list]
Wiz Aus wrote:
Oh, btw if you're interested in that kind of thing, try running
Ikebana (see our CVS server). It uses lilypond running as a server
over a socket connection.
Is it really usuable? I mean, can you, say, click on a text object and
dr
[back to mailing list.]
Wiz Aus wrote:
Um...lilypond uses an interpretive language (Scheme), goes via TEX
and PS to produce output, and you're worried about a few extra C++
function calls? I would be flabbergasted if this made any measurable
difference to lilypond's performance.
Actually, t
Wiz Aus wrote:
Because we want to skip the (proxy) function calls for performance
reasons.
Um...lilypond uses an interpretive language (Scheme), goes via TEX
and PS to produce output, and you're worried about a few extra C++
function calls? I would be flabbergasted if this made any measurabl
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