Re: Turkish makam

2023-01-15 Thread Adam Good
On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 9:49 AM Hans Åberg wrote: > > As the full number of Turkish makam is very large, perhaps too many to > have in this file, there might be a turkish-makam-extended for the less > common ones. > The turkish-makam.ly file contains if I remember correctly, key signature defini

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 15/01/2023 à 20:23, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : Am 15.01.23 um 20:20 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken in

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Am 15.01.23 um 20:20 schrieb Jean Abou Samra: Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken into account, but not during page spacing. Do you ha

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Sorry for piping up: Personally I don't see any problem with Jean's poll: It clearly was not intended as a way to reach a democratic decision, but as a means of obtaining a data point. (which is surprising and my interpretation is that the question was phrased wrongly: Currently, the only fo

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 15/01/2023 à 20:11, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit : So the setting seems to be used on a per-page basis, The problem here is that during page breaking, the score-local layouts are being taken into account, but not during page spacing. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signatur

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
I don't see that. layout/midi are different output media. paper has some overarching information (like base file names). It also contains some information pertinent to typesetting a whole document as opposed to single scores, like paper dimensions. Things like staff sizes are a whole lot mu

Re: Turkish makam

2023-01-15 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 15 Jan 2023, at 14:45, Adam Good wrote: > > Hans and Werner, > For a couple reasons, I deliberately used the name turkish-makam.ly to make > a distinction and clarity between the Arabic and Turkish varieties of > (respectively) maqam and makam theory and notation systems. Also I do have >

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread David Kastrup
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Le 14/01/2023 à 22:10, David Kastrup a écrit : >> What should it be? > > > I have no idea. My own gut feeling is that output defs need a redesign > and reimplementation from scratch anyway. In an ideal world, we wouldn't > even have the paper/layout/midi distinction. I

Re: Turkish makam

2023-01-15 Thread Adam Good
On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 4:00 AM Hans Åberg wrote: > > > On 14 Jan 2023, at 08:06, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > >>> Too bad that `makam.ly` is essentially undocumented... > >> > >> From what I can see, makam.ly is the original faulty file, only > >> there for backwards compatibility, which might b

Re: What is the difference between \paper and \layout blocks?

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 14/01/2023 à 22:10, David Kastrup a écrit : What should it be? I have no idea. My own gut feeling is that output defs need a redesign and reimplementation from scratch anyway. In an ideal world, we wouldn't even have the paper/layout/midi distinction. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenP

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development
On Sun, 2023-01-15 at 14:09 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Le 15/01/2023 à 12:24, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : > > (which is surprising and my interpretation is that the question was > > phrased wrongly: > > Could you elaborate on how the question should have been > phrased in your opinion? I don't u

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 15/01/2023 à 12:24, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : (which is surprising and my interpretation is that the question was phrased wrongly: Could you elaborate on how the question should have been phrased in your opinion? I don't understand this from the following sentences. (For what it's worth, it

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development
On Sun, 2023-01-15 at 13:40 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote: > - Since Poppler's build system is CMake, we have to write a different >   class inheriting from Package alongside ConfigurePackage and >   MesonPackage, and figure out how CMake needs to be invoked and >   with what environment variable

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Jean Abou Samra
Le 14/01/2023 à 22:09, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit : On Sat, 2023-01-14 at 18:11 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote: I would have to test how difficult it actually is to cross-compile Poppler, but my own assessment is that keeping MinGW cross-compilation of a C++ project working is potentially more burdens

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Kevin Barry
> My conclusion is that PDF is the more "logical" > successor to the inclusion of EPS.) I'm not on the user list anymore so I didn't see the poll. Personally I mostly work with EPS (for at least one publisher that I worked with it was the only acceptable vector format), but I'm glad that we polled

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2023-01-15 3:24 am, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: My conclusion is that PDF is the more "logical" successor to the inclusion of EPS.) There is a philosophical issue: EPS (and SVG) are intended to be used as embedded vector graphics. PDF is a document format. EPS/SVG are the diagrams and illustra

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Luca Fascione
On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 12:25 Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development, wrote: > PDF is the more "logical" > successor to the inclusion of EPS. > It never occured to me we wouldn't support PDF. I always heard the discussion as "do we actually really need SVG inclusion when emitting P

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development
On Sun, 2023-01-15 at 00:45 -0800, Aaron Hill wrote: > On 2023-01-14 7:45 am, Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond > development wrote: > > I strongly believe that we must figure this out *now*, before deciding > > to go that route. Relatedly, I also think it was a mistake to ask the > > use

Re: RFC: require librsvg to implement SVG image support

2023-01-15 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2023-01-14 7:45 am, Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond development wrote: I strongly believe that we must figure this out *now*, before deciding to go that route. Relatedly, I also think it was a mistake to ask the users at this stage - they cannot assess the technical difficulties of