Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 18.02, Juergen Reuter wrote: ... > * Whenever an editing command on the command line is executed, the > musical contents changes, i.e. the gnome canvas may need to be updated. > In the very first approach, you would completely execute everything > starting with l

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 21.10, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer > > > feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>> > * Make {} represent real lists in markup, and transform \markup { > >>> > a b \bold { c d } e } in > >>> > > >>> > \markup \formatline { a b \bold c \bold d e } > >>> > >>> I'm starting to understand a couple of thing

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Nicolas Sceaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Han-Wen Nienhuys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>> > * Make {} represent real lists in markup, and transform \markup { >>> > a b \bold { c d } e } in >>> > >>> > \markup \formatline { a b \bold c \bold d e }

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer > > feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is what > > makes the difference between a good open source program and a su

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > - the most important feature for professional Windoze users, the killer > feature so to say, would be a competent payed-for support. This is what > makes the difference between a good open source program and a successful > good open source program. Do you have any concr

lilypond-book manual updated

2004-11-17 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The file lilypond-book.itely is now up to date. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

RE: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Juergen Reuter
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Ralph Little wrote: > ... > However, I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion that the biggest > bridge to cross is the non-mousey nature of the software, which is > doubly large for non-techy musicians that have not encountered > programming work. This could be tackled by

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Now when you can simply double-click on a file to process it, most windows users will only need to open the cygwin command window when they have upgraded LilyPond and have to run convert-ly. I know that feature requests shouldn't go to this mailing thread, but how about adding an option in the rig

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Really? I've experienced many Windows programs that are much more > tricky to install than cygwin. Do not underestimate the importance of a friendly dog telling you that the installer needs just a few more informations from you, like date of birth

RE: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Ralph Little
Hi, I agree with all of that. When I said that I found Cygwin installation clunky, I actually didn't find it a big problem. Being a programmer, I shouldn't really ;) It just seems to me that any "perceived" barrier to installation ease should be reduced to encourage more general acceptance of the

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Ralph Little wrote: Hi, Undeniably the mass market at the moment would look to be using Windoze as a platform. If we could see an end to dependance on Cygwin, that would (partly) open the door to mass acceptance of Lilypond by the general public. Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up for

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Ralph Little wrote: > Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up for one-step > installation so that the Cygwin layer were packaged up with it, novice > users would find it more acceptable. There is a way to package cygwin on a CD and preselecting packages by modify

Re: LilyPond C/C++ #include cleanup

2004-11-17 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > there were some good intentions, but not much has happened. Apart from Carl Sorensen, who started a programming concepts document http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2004-10/msg00241.html which is not the same thing, but it's related. Jan. -- Jan

Re: LilyPond C/C++ #include cleanup

2004-11-17 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Andreas Scherer writes: > Has anyone considered to apply Doxygen to the LilyPond sources? See these threads http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2004-03/msg00226.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2004-04/msg00083.html there were some good intentions, but not

Re: battle-plan for 2.5 development

2004-11-17 Thread Ralph Little
Hi, Undeniably the mass market at the moment would look to be using Windoze as a platform. If we could see an end to dependance on Cygwin, that would (partly) open the door to mass acceptance of Lilypond by the general public. Certainly if, as Erik says it could be boxed up for one-step installatio