Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-18 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
Ben, The companies I do Open Source compliance work for would not be inclined to approve an Open Source review of what you suggest for use in the company, due to ambiguity. Licenses can, and should, clearly state when an API is meant to be a connector to another work which can be under a differen

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-16 Thread Ben Tilly
Here is a solution that is worth considering. Create 2 pieces of software that are compatible. One is under a BSD license and will accept the plugins in question. The other is under the AGPL. Any plugin written against the BSD version is clearly not derivative of the AGPL version and therefore

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-15 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Joel Kelley wrote: > However, a small team faced with changing business rules is all too likely > to end up hardcoding a position or employee ID number into an approval > plugin instead of using an environmental variable. It's definitely an engineering problem if there is hard-coding of this sort

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Josh Berkus dixit: > to the main project, they just need to be open source somewhere, which > can just be a matter of creating their own public GH/GL repo. Not even that, they just need to be made available to users of the service. bye, //mirabilos -- I believe no one can invent an algorithm. O

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-15 Thread Josh Berkus
On 8/12/22 16:46, Joel Kelley wrote: We are interested in a plugin exception due to the reality of software development at colleges and universities, particularly mid-sized and smaller institutions.   A few areas we've broken out into plugins are validation, approvals, and payroll exports.  Our

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-14 Thread Joel Kelley
Dear All, I would like to thank you all for your kind and helpful responses. To provide some background, hopefully helpful, on the application in question, it helps manage timesheets, faculty contracts, and student offer letters as are commonly used in Higher Education. It is a web application w

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-14 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 2:01 PM Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > While the post is about additional permissions unlike the one Joel is > pondering, the on-topic point there is that there are so many ways to draft > these things, and so many potential pitfalls, and that is what leads me to > first focus o

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-12 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
McCoy Smith wrote: > the … site does list the Classpath Exception > (https://spdx.org/licenses/Classpath-exception-2.0.html) and the GCC RTL > Exception (https://spdx.org/licenses/GCC-exception-3.1.html), of which you > say you were a "key drafter," so I'm not sure why you think that site > should

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread McCoy Smith
> -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of Bradley M. Kuhn > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:54 PM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception > > Having been a key

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: >>> Please keep in mind that if your application incorporates or relies upon >>> any other code (to which you do not hold the copyrights) that is also >>> licensed under the AGPL, you cannot grant an exception (really, an >>> 'additional permission') on your code which is co

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread Lawrence Rosen
en 707-478-8932 3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482 -Original Message- From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 5:12 PM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception Please

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Please keep in mind that if your application incorporates or relies upon any other code (to which you do not hold the copyrights) that is also licensed under the AGPL, you cannot grant an exception (really, an 'additional permission') on your code which is combined with it, since you can't grant th

Re: [License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread McCoy Smith
You might want to check out the SPDX lists of exceptions: https://spdx.org/licenses/exceptions-index.html > On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Joel Kelley wrote: > ___ The opinions expressed in this email are those of the sender and not necessarily those

[License-discuss] Question about AGPLv3 with a Plugin Exception

2022-08-10 Thread Joel Kelley
Dear All, The university I work for wants to open source one of our internal tools. We would like to use the AGPLv3 since it is a web application. However, we would like to include a plugin exception as there are places where internal organization specific business logic rules have been separated