Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-25 Thread JBC offsite
I think Roland Turner may be suggesting that MariaDB falls into that class? On 10/25/2023 at 9:27 PM, "JBC offsite" wrote:This is an interesting topic. Your data will be helpful. As you suggested, "we plan to open source later" is right up there with Wimpy's promise to repay Popeye "next Tuesda

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-25 Thread JBC offsite
This is an interesting topic. Your data will be helpful. As you suggested, "we plan to open source later" is right up there with Wimpy's promise to repay Popeye "next Tuesday."However: I wonder if there are any cases of "I now irrevocably grant this work under Apache/GPL/BSD/whatever, effective 1

Re: [License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-25 Thread Roland Turner via License-discuss
(replying on list as this seems in scope for license-discuss, although it clearly wouldn't be for license-review) This is in an interesting question and one that I've been thinking about lately (in particular as a potential talk for FOSSASIA 2024) because of the recent rush of half-baked "open

[License-discuss] Query on "delayed open source" licensing

2023-10-25 Thread Seth David Schoen
Hi license-discuss members, I'm working on a research project with Open Tech Strategies and the Open Source Initiative, on the topic of delayed open source licensing. This refers to licensing models where a project is initially published under non-open-source terms, but with a promise that the co

Re: [License-discuss] Evaluating the Enforceability of a License Should Not be a Criteria for OSI License Review

2023-10-25 Thread Roland Turner via License-discuss
I suspect that the conversation is getting snagged on a false dichotomy: enforceability is not in fact a binary characteristic of a license, only of a license in the context of a specific dispute, with specific plaintiff and respondent, in a specific jurisdiction, on specific facts, at a specif

Re: [License-discuss] Evaluating the Enforceability of a License Should Not be a Criteria for OSI License Review

2023-10-25 Thread Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock
That's a really interesting way of looking at it: In order to be within the OSD, the license needs to be actually capable of granting the necessary rights/licenses. That's certainly true in other contexts. If the license only grants the right to COPY but not MODIFY or DISTRIBUTE, it doesn't gr

[License-discuss] Does this license combination make (legal) sense?

2023-10-25 Thread Josh Berkus
I ran across this[1], which is apparently a popular license disclaimer in the Rust community: > Licensed under either of Apache License, Version 2.0 or MIT license at your option. > Unless you explicitly state otherwise, any contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion in this crate by y

Re: [License-discuss] Evaluating the Enforceability of a License Should Not be a Criteria for OSI License Review

2023-10-25 Thread Josh Berkus
On 10/7/23 22:25, Patrick Schleizer via License-discuss wrote: Concerns regarding the enforceability of a license, especially across different jurisdictions, should not be a determinant in the approval or rejection of a license. Enforceability can vary significantly across different regions d