Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Pamela Chestek dixit: > What about "this permission notice shall be included in all copies or > substantial portions of the Software"? That’s the licence text itself. > What about "If the Work includes > a 'NOTICE' text file as part of its distribution, then any Derivative > Works that You distr

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 9/19/2022 5:18 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Pamela Chestek dixit: (and something I think about occasionally). OSD says "The license must allow modifications and derived works ..." But it doesn't say ALL modifications. If it is construed as meaning ALL modifications, that interpretation gets ha

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread McCoy Smith
Whew, I thought I missed an important decision. 😊 From: Simon Phipps Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 2:50 PM To: mc...@lexpan.law; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD? The Neo4J case, not one involving Li

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Simon Phipps
The Neo4J case, not one involving Linagora (yet) - they are just the company behind Linshare. Oh, I realise I said Linaro earlier - sorry! I meant Linagora. S. (in a personal capacity) On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 10:25 PM McCoy Smith wrote: > OK I’ll bite: which case are you referring to? > I’m no

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread McCoy Smith
OK I’ll bite: which case are you referring to? I’m not seeing anything from Linaro on PACER. From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Simon Phipps Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:24 PM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Pamela Chestek dixit: > (and something I think about occasionally). OSD says "The license must allow > modifications and derived works ..." But it doesn't say ALL modifications. If > it is construed as meaning ALL modifications, that interpretation gets hard to > reconcile with elements typically

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 9:21 PM Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 11:41:06AM -0700, McCoy Smith wrote: > > Seems like it might violate the definition of appropriate legal notice > in GPLv3. > > ... hence, one should be able to just remove these de facto "further > restrictions",

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 11:41:06AM -0700, McCoy Smith wrote: > Seems like it might violate the definition of appropriate legal notice in > GPLv3. ... hence, one should be able to just remove these de facto "further restrictions", as per: > All other non-permissive additional terms are consider

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Pamela Chestek
I agree with Simon that it prohibits forking. It is also my position that trademarks are not "Legal Notices" as that term is used in the AGPL and I can go into that in more detail if anyone is interested. (And it's in my chapter in Amanda's upcoming book ...) For that reason it may not be permi

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread McCoy Smith
Seems like it might violate the definition of appropriate legal notice in GPLv3. > -Original Message- > From: License-discuss On > Behalf Of Josh Berkus > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 11:09 AM > To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org > Subject: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "a

Re: [License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Simon Phipps
I agree that all looks very worrying and probably disqualifying, but the trademark terms in clause 2 are even worse as they prohibit you from rebranding the software as would be essential to fork: Using these trademarks without the (TM) trademark notice symbol, removing > these trademarks from the

[License-discuss] Does the LinShare "attribution" notice violate OSD?

2022-09-19 Thread Josh Berkus
Folks, Someone just forwarded me this: https://github.com/linagora/linshare/blob/master/COPYING.md Take a look at "additional terms", esp: In accordance with Section 7 and subsection (b) of the GNU Affero General Public License version 3, these Appropriate Legal Notices consist in the interf

Re: [License-discuss] For Discussion: Open Logistics License v1.1

2022-09-19 Thread McCoy Smith
I still find the patent language confusing. To wit: The grant says that “no patent licenses are granted for use of the Subject Matter of the License or the Contributions which become necessary for its lawful use due to the fact that third party modifications are made to the Subject Matter of the L