Re: [License-discuss] Moderation observations

2020-03-12 Thread Nigel T
I haven’t been able to post but I can’t tell if it’s my phone or if I’m blocked. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > >  > So sorry, that should be singular, modera...@opensource.org > >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:04 PM John Cowan wrote: >> Sorry to respo

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Gil Yehuda via License-discuss
Josh you are always welcome to use my public conversations on this list in your blog, with attribution. I appreciate the nod. I'm not planning on blogging about this. I was going to record a podcast today and then after doing a walkthrough of the talking points we decided against it. My experience

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Josh Berkus
On 3/12/20 8:12 AM, Gil Yehuda via License-discuss wrote: > 1. I created this code. > 2. I seek to display it for others to see. Perhaps comment, improve, or > at least recognize me for it. > 3. I seek to allow many people to use this code too. > 4. For a particular set of reasons, I don't want som

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Pamela Chestek
Please do avoid attaching points of view to any specific characteristic of a group or individual, whether it's gender, age, nationality, ethnicity, religion, hair color, or Star Wars/Star Trek. It's an easy way to offend someone you didn't mean to offend and then any valid point you hoped to make w

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread McCoy Smith
From: License-discuss On Behalf Of Russell McOrmond Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:57 AM To: license-discuss@lists.opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses I recognise that this reminder will be annoying to some, but the FSF and OSI have

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:30 AM Gil Yehuda via License-discuss < license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote: > If you strip away dog whistling and provocative terms that often bring out > less productive discussions, there is something similar here to other > "source-available but restricted" id

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Gil Yehuda via License-discuss
If you strip away dog whistling and provocative terms that often bring out less productive discussions, there is something similar here to other "source-available but restricted" ideas. The generic shape of the argument in simplified form: 1. I created this code. 2. I seek to display it for others

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Russell Nelson
On 3/11/20 10:05 PM, andrew.dema wrote: > There is no mutual ground for discussion I'm glad you've come to such a decisive conclusion. If you don't mind, we all get to make that decision for ourselves as well as when to stop soliciting feedback. If you have nothing to add or feel it is not c

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:41 PM Josh Berkus wrote: > I'm disappointed in the discussion too, but in my case because it > focused entirely on historical baggage and didn't ever really discuss > the merits of ethical clauses (or lack thereof). > This is exactly what I and others have been posting

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 9:35 PM Russell Nelson wrote: > Yes, I did. Went through all of them one by one, showing that they were > not compatible with the OSD, and analyzed the idea of putting > restrictions on the USE of software versus the DISTRIBUTION of software. I recognise that this remind

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Grahame Grieve (grah...@healthintersections.com.au): > The question for me is whether there's some useful middle ground. Is there > value in having an ethical use license where the creator gives up many but > not all rights, in a way that respects some core tenets of the open source > move

Re: [License-discuss] Thoughts on the subject of ethical licenses

2020-03-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Russell McOrmond (russellmcorm...@gmail.com): > Using the loaded term "ethics" in the title of a group has the same > poisonous effects on conversations, essentially suggesting that anyone who > disagrees with the methods of the group are somehow "unethical". > > I believe everyone unders