Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread VM Brasseur (OSI)
The purpose of the list is right there, as they say, on the tin: license discuss. We are all here to discuss, learn, research, share, and investigate the world of software licenses as they pertain to open source. Josh, Van, Gil, and others have stated as such, and I'm grateful to each of them fo

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting McCoy Smith (mc...@lexpan.law): > > > > On Feb 27, 2020, at 9:24 AM, VanL wrote: > > > >  > > The logic is that discussing naming-and-shaming as a concept is different > > than actually holding a person up for ridicule or derision. > > > > We can discuss the concept without actually

Re: [License-discuss] Resources to discourage governments from bespoke licenses?

2020-02-27 Thread McCoy Smith
You might want to check out Iain Mitchell’s chapter in this book https://global.oup.com/academic/product/free-and-open-source-software-9780199680498?cc=us&lang=en&; There’s a second edition currently in the works but it won’t be out til the summer > On Feb 27, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Michael Downey

[License-discuss] Member conduct

2020-02-27 Thread Pamela Chestek
To all, Following an incident on Open Source Initiative mailing lists, the Board has removed a subscriber from both the License-Review and License-Discuss mailing lists for repeatedly violating the Code of Conduct. The Board took steps to mitigate the issue and began deliberating immediately afte

[License-discuss] Resources to discourage governments from bespoke licenses?

2020-02-27 Thread Michael Downey
And now for something completely different... While it's not nearly as common as it was for a while, now and then we get some government and inter-governmental clients who want to roll their own license because they think they are a special case of indemnity or privilege requirements, things a

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Joshua R. Simmons dixit: >I just want to underscore that this is, indeed, meant to be a place where >we can discuss licenses ;-) Ones that improve Open Source, sure. Licences that introduce new arbitrary restrictions… not so much. bye, //mirabilos -- “It is inappropriate to require that a time

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread Joshua R. Simmons
I just want to underscore that this is, indeed, meant to be a place where we can discuss licenses ;-) I quite value the thought experiments that have been brought to the list recently, as they were powerful fodder for refining and clarifying our understanding of the OSD and open source. We ought

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread andrew.dema
L-D stands for license discussion. Part of discussion is communication and the sharing of ideas. If someone cannot ask if an idea works in the OSD(in this case is there the capability of a license to discriminate and if so under what circumstances eg. GPL and to what eg. People,other software wo

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread VanL
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 3:50 PM Russell McOrmond wrote: > > I think you have this backwards. The mailing list to discuss ideas > compatable with the OSD are the lists hosted by opensource.org. This > community will (most often politely) inform people when their ideas are > incompatable with on

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:01 PM Josh Berkus wrote: > To paraphrase the above: "It's only deplatforming if it's me or my > friends. If it's someone I don't agree with, they're just whining." > Decades ago my actual friends bought me a T-Shirt https://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/eler-tshirt.html

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread McCoy Smith
> On Feb 27, 2020, at 9:24 AM, VanL wrote: > >  > The logic is that discussing naming-and-shaming as a concept is different > than actually holding a person up for ridicule or derision. > > We can discuss the concept without actually implementing it. > > There was some name and shame lang

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread VanL
Hi Russell, On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 9:36 AM Russell McOrmond wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 PM VanL wrote: > >> Further, if we really believe in the importance of ideas, and the >> importance of speech to express those ideas, even ones we disagree with, we >> should act in a fashion that

Re: [License-discuss] Language, appropriateness, and ideas

2020-02-27 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:21 PM VanL wrote: > Further, if we really believe in the importance of ideas, and the > importance of speech to express those ideas, even ones we disagree with, we > should act in a fashion that allows us the broadest exposure to those > different ideas. Sharp language r

Re: [License-discuss] Ethical open source licensing - Dual Licensing for Justice

2020-02-27 Thread Keith Zubot-Gephart
On 2020-02-26 17:01, Pamela Chestek wrote: > I would like to point out that the OSI rejected the email ESR sent > that Gil quoted (which I have removed) and it did not get published to > the list. It would be helpful if everyone could make sure when > replying they aren't inadvertently subverting t