Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] For approval: The Cryptographic Autonomy License (Beta 2)

2019-08-28 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:08 PM VanL wrote: > I am a supporter of the OSI. I think the OSI is important, and that it > serves an important function. But I can also see that some people are > already choosing to bypass the OSI for various reasons. > This is as it should be. The OSD is more than

Re: [License-discuss] The Right of Display

2019-08-28 Thread John Cowan
It's very much a thing: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_art and its various links. I haven't done it, because I'm the furthest thing in the world from a visual artist: I can visualize anything up to and including hexagons, filled or outline, in various colors, but that's it. "Seeing,

Re: [License-discuss] The Right of Display

2019-08-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
John Cowan wrote: > But suppose I write and send you a program that, when used as a web server, > transmits the necessary HTML+CSS to display on a standard browser a pattern > of highly colored blobs that I consider artistic, such that if I painted this > same pattern of blobs it would clearly

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] The Right of Display

2019-08-28 Thread John Cowan
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 5:50 PM Lawrence Rosen wrote: Two problems in that sentence: First, the artwork is not "resulting." The > code doesn't create the artwork, it merely facilitates the display of the > artwork. > I don't understand that to be "computer-generated art" in the relevant sense.

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] For approval: The Cryptographic Autonomy License (Beta 2)

2019-08-28 Thread VanL
Hi Bradley, I appreciate your sharing here, especially as I have used the AGPL as both a comparison point and a foil for the CAL. A few brief points in response. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 3:49 PM Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: > Affero GPL was a huge leap and a big change in copyleft policy. The FSF >

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] The Right of Display

2019-08-28 Thread Lawrence Rosen
[Just to license-discuss] Pam Chestek wrote: > In the case of computer-generated art, I assume your position is that the > code and the resulting artwork are two different copyrightable works, even > though the visual representation is entirely dictated by the code? Two problems in that

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] For approval: The Cryptographic Autonomy License (Beta 2)

2019-08-28 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Pamela Chestek wrote: > My point is this [Van's license] is well beyond the AGPL. For the AGPL, two > more things have to happen before I have to provide the source code, I have > to have modified the code and a user has to be able to interact with the > program. For those who think that the AGPL i

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] The Right of Display

2019-08-28 Thread Pamela Chestek
We may have veered to a point where no one is interested as this relates to the CAL, so I'm moving the discussion to the license-discuss list. On 8/28/2019 1:18 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > > Pam Chestek wrote: > > > You've misidentified the copyrighted work. The statutory term is > "computer progr