Re: [License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de): > I will not use the Debian-provided Gitlab even for Debian packages > if I can avoid it, both because I’m > by their badly coordinated move and because of its proprietaryness. Anyone's GitLab is also (IMVAO) grossly overengineered. From my own Operatio

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
I'll follow Christopher's good example, and also try to cut to the chase. Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss (license-discuss@lists.opensource.org): > Except that we don’t need a representative number. If use cannot be > found, that would not imply there isn’t any. I certain

Re: [License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-06-10 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
We are getting rather far from the topic of license-discuss, aren't we? Those who are interested in having a non-profit hosting service and would contribute time to specifying what such a thing should do, and how, please contact me off of the list. Or forever hold your peace, 'cause I'm going to ma

Re: [License-discuss] code hosting

2019-06-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
John Cowan dixit: >A basically volunteer agency like OSI "self-hosts" when someone >volunteers to host for them. When that volunteer loses interest, the >"self-hosting" goes away. OK, good point. I was thinking of individuals, or a bunch of like-minded individuals (but still defined by them inste

Re: [License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting John Cowan (co...@ccil.org): > A basically volunteer agency like OSI "self-hosts" when someone volunteers > to host for them. When that volunteer loses interest, the "self-hosting" > goes away. Failover is a thing, isn't it? Let me tell you a story. I'm a longtime volunteer with a loca

Re: [License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-06-10 Thread John Cowan
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 4:36 PM Thorsten Glaser wrote: > … but it certainly is another service that can change or go away > in a jiffie, and those who prefer to not be dependent on such > things do well to self-host. > A basically volunteer agency like OSI "self-hosts" when someone volunteers t

[License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

2019-06-10 Thread Thorsten Glaser
(restored natural reading order, http://deb.li/quote for details) Bruce Perens via License-discuss dixit: >On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 12:14 Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss < >license-discuss@lists.opensource.org> wrote: >>Rick Moen said: >>>reference to self-hosting his code repo for i

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Bruce Perens via License-discuss
Open Research Institute will pursue setting up a non-profit hosting service with the open source and ethical qualities we all desire. Since this is potentially a multi-million dollar crowdfunding, it will take a little time to get started. Thanks Bruce On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 12:14 Christopher Sea

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
> Actually, what Thorsten Glaser said was: [snip] Not sure if quoting the entire e-mail is actually in disagreement with my characterization or just being pedantic, but I did not find it helpful. If anything, it’s a circular pitfall that I’m not going to repeat beyond to address the addition

Re: [License-discuss] Discourse email

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com): > Somehow a decision will be made eventually here despite accusations of > "strange personal rhetoric" in Rick's 2019 email that he formatted as "plain > text." Even HTML is still suspicious to some people, but I changed Rick's > message to HTML format

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss (license-discuss@lists.opensource.org): > I didn’t say he did. He commented on a potential lack of public > hosting as grounds for “absolutely not even [coming] close to checking > whether a license is in use”. I commented on the general not

[License-discuss] Discourse email

2019-06-10 Thread Lawrence Rosen
[Changing the subject!] Rick Moen wrote to Luis Villa about Discourse: > I found it lastingly strange to be targeted by some very strange personal rhetoric from you for saying that -- and find it suspicious that you, the main person lobbying for migration away from SMTP/mailing lists to an ins

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > Desert island, chinese dissident… or even simple things > such as, a code hosting platform in Russian or Japanese > which is not discoverable for _you_. I think we’re talking past each other. I can trivially pull up foreign content on

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss (license-discuss@lists.opensource.org): > Code under an Open Source license that is not publicly available might > as well not be. Objection: Thorsten didn't speak of code that lacks public availability. > If it’s not publicly available a