Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@lu.is): > People who have asked questions of the list have certainly been told that, > both explicitly and by implication ("well, it isn't written down anywhere > else, so...") Usually politely, but polite terrible news is still terrible > news. That's regrettable and it

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Luis Villa
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:47 AM Rick Moen wrote: By the way, Luis, has OSI ever _really_ advised newcomers to 'read the > archives'? Certainly, speaking for myself, *I'd* never so recommend, > for multiple reasons including that just never working. > People who have asked questions of the list

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@lu.is): > The next step in the long run should be to figure out how to create > authoritative summaries of license proposal discussions, so that newcomers > and non-experts can reasonably and transparently understand OSI and OSD. Along those lines, the occasional summarie

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread John Cowan
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:59 AM Henrik Ingo wrote: > There are plenty of areas of the law where precedent is set aside: if not, > courts would never overrule their previous decisions. "Not in accordance > with precedent" is not the same as "arbitrary". > As a simple case, consider the doctrine

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Henrik Ingo (henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi): > I can of course only speak for myself, but I don't think the above is > the right conclusion at all. Recent mailing list discussion seems to > have made the point that adhering to precedent is hard, when in most > cases the process does not produc

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
> On Jun 4, 2019, at 4:12 AM, Henrik Ingo wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:45 PM Christopher Sean Morrison via > License-discuss wrote: "The prohibition on copyright protection for United States Government works is not intended to have any effect on protection of these works >>>

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Brian Behlendorf asked about California's funding for open source voting software: > However, it also stipulates a 3:1 matching ($3 for every $1 spent, up to $8M > of the total fund) when that software is exclusively GPLv3 licensed. I'd love > to understand the arguments that led to the conclus

Re: [License-discuss] popularity, usage, re-review of old licenses [was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 6/3/2019 7:13 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > for basic "is it used by any modern-ish software at all" those could > give you a pretty good start. It might reduce some of the perceived risks with changing opinions or classifications of licenses if they aren't in use anyway. It's also a bit of proof

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:20 PM John Cowan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 4:13 AM Henrik Ingo wrote: >> > As noted in the preceding link, prevailing view and treatment is that >> > there is full copyright protection in some jurisdictions. >> >> Clearly it is not *prevailing* in this community. >

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread John Cowan
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 4:13 AM Henrik Ingo wrote: > > As noted in the preceding link, prevailing view and treatment is that > there is full copyright protection in some jurisdictions. > > Clearly it is not *prevailing* in this community. > No one has polled us, so no one knows if it is actually

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Smith, McCoy
> I'd love to understand the arguments that led to the conclusion that GPLv3 > licensed works represent a greater public good here and thus justify more > subsidy than others. > Hazarding a guess: the Installation Information provision of GPLv3 (aka anti-TiVoization) might have held sway here

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Brendan Hickey
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 04:13 Henrik Ingo wrote: > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:45 PM Christopher Sean Morrison via > License-discuss wrote: > > >> "The prohibition on copyright protection for United States Government > works is not intended to have any effect on protection of these works > abroad. Wo

Re: [License-discuss] Government licenses

2019-06-04 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:45 PM Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss wrote: > >> "The prohibition on copyright protection for United States Government > >> works is not intended to have any effect on protection of these works > >> abroad. Works of the governments of most other countries

Re: [License-discuss] Evolving the License Review process for OSI

2019-06-04 Thread Henrik Ingo
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 11:58 PM Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting McCoy Smith (mccoy.sm...@intel.com): > > > The problem with "grandfathering" such licenses is that they can be > > used as precedent for new license submitters as to why their non-OSD > > compliant licenses must also be approved. > > Sever